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Should I go thauma 2?

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#1

Hi guys!

I’m pyro2-linker2-thauma1 and initially i planned to be thauma2 for good synergy but now that i leveled up my char i’m in doubt about my next choice and want the opinion of more experienced players since im only getting my first rank 7 now.

atm the build is great and i dont have any problems, i got thauma mainly to swell mobs for 2x silver/mats/exp and with thauma2 the only benefit i can see is being able to swell 3 more mobs, but until now the majority of maps have mobs grouped in groups of 5 (dungeon/HG/normal maps) so i want to ask:

  1. pyro3 gives me 5 more fireball hits, it would add more damage for me than Swell left+right arms? (atm i gain like 200 matk only with swell left arm)
  2. There are other reasons for you to pick thauma2?
  3. i’m lvl 230±, maps from now on have a higher density? (to justify the swell body, since right now i rarely link more than 5-6)

Thank you!

#2

farmer type focus or dps? actually what is your end product.

thau are normally going for farmer type focus with thau 2/3 > sage for safety due to the fact you can eat up magic / projectile with missile hole.

Thau is still a extremely good class in farming for dungeons and mats.

#3

I know thauma is good for farming but right now (from the experience so far) i dont see benefit in going thauma2 even for farming,
sage i will pick for sure, but i was thinking if adding pyro3 or other will add more to the final build (i do general pve and the farming for me is a bonus since atm thauma makes it easy for me to craft and get mats)

The thing is, if i want to go more to a dps way would pyro3 make difference, because hellbreath for me is meh and the main benefit i see is 5 more fireball hits

#4

Go link 3 and you will deal more linked damage to bosses.

pyro 3 wont necessarily increase your damage, with sage your combo will be cast fireball twice, dupe them, link them, knot them.

In this case each fireball with hit 5 times before link brakes but if you go link3 each fireball with hit 8 times before link brakes. Which almost increases your burst by %40.

#5

thau2 is you get 8target swell body same as join penalty

swell right arm is good when u need def or give someone def (when using shield)

swell left arm just have longer duration and less rebuff little more damage

#6

Thanks!!! i dindnt knew it, so this is why many ppl are going pyro3-link3

#7

i’m already thauma1 and linker2 and i rarely got to link more than 5 mobs (unless i’m partying with a petlasta)

I think swell right + transpose will add good survivability in some scenarios too, but the swell right buff i think is negligible atm

ty for your viewpoint!

#8

i don’t get any transpose bcoz it nothing for pyro

get good pdef/mdef then everything will be fine

and i’m rarely get benefit form swell right becoz pyro always use staff or rod+dagger

pyro3link3 or pyro2link2thau2 are fine in different way

u can link8 target without pel, just atk them to lure then link hang swell

get more 8mob while link on cd

#9

is this only true for py3link3 build? Was thinking of mixing up a bit on the path w1py2link3thau1sage since you mentioned that py2 is okayish on dmg too. Your thoughts? (getting thau1 for rng chance drop since drop chance has been change so a lil mix for mats farming).

#10

Lvl 15 JP
Maximum Link Numbers: 10
Count Limit: [?]
Duration: 85 seconds

^so the link breaks with fireball? even if the duration is still up? can you explain the mechanic.

**Edited: I guess it’s on the “Count Limit: ?” does anyone have the “specific count” details on this?

#11

Count link = amounts of hits before the link dissappear.

Eg. count limit is 50, so after ur fire ball hits 50 times on the mob , the link debuff on monster disappear immediately

#12

Each level on link adds 10 hit limit. So a lvl 15 link will brake after 150 hits. When you link 4 fireballs each tick of fireball hits 20 times, so for lvl 10 link it will hit 5 times per fireball and for lvl 15 link it should brake after 7-8? hits.

Pyro 2 is fine because lvl 10 fireball disappears after 10 hits which lets you combo with no problems.

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#13

Thanks much clear now. So py3 has stronger dps overall outside the fireball+link mechanics, I wonder how much dmg is added to wall and pillar (and fireball) w/ py3 since im planning to go w1py2link3thau1sage instead of full py3. (PVE farming only)

#14

Is this build okay or am I wasting the circle in thau1. Just 1 circle of thau for RNG of 2x drop (Swell) since the fullDPK is a thing of the past. I dun wanna spend my time concentrating on swelling all mobs to ensure I cover all chances of 2x drop focusing more on dmg/fast kill instead.

#15

you are doing it wrong. thau single circle is a waste its normally two or three for maxmum profits. If you are going dps i suggest drop thau totally

How you group up mobs? More often it is more than 7 targets espeically on dun farming. also i forget to mention thau two with both swell add up to 1k magic or 450 magic with 400mded pdef depending on shield or dagger

#16

The problem is not that 5 targets or 8 targets, it is more like 5s or 10s of debuff duration.
The high level map of monsters previously have like 300k-500k and now maybe like 200k-400k after maintainance, if you swelled them you can’t be sure to take them down with x2HP within 5s.

Thaumaturge2 isn’t that bad, it give a lot of flexibility in equipment if you are not lazy to swap them. It just that the benefits are not as obvious as other support classes.