Then use that as excuse in the case you are losing. And if yer winning, brag with having had a handicap 
Itâs not really that. I refuse to alter my playstyle to accommodate for lag due to ping. Now during iCBT2 I only messed around. I noticed lag, but I didnât pay much attention to it due to it being beta etc.
I am concerned because I played FFXIV before they got EU servers and while the game was playable, it was annoying as hell. If you were standing in a telegraphed AoE circle you had to move out much earlier than you should have had to move due to latency, and that was only at 150ish MS (if I recall correctly, been a while), and as a result, the game not only suffered a huge drop in EU players, tons of EU players decided to not even try the game.
Iâm not sure the EU playerbase will be large enough anyways to justify an EU server though. ;o
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We will see once the ob starts. Until so, I wont curse tos until I experienced heavy lag on my own~
i have to agree with swede, american servers lag for europe, and the âother player play with some lag tooâ is not the awnser really, and i really hope we dont get a server on france for europe, set it on london or amsterdam please. (or place it on Madrid so i get better ping, but thats not gonna happen)
So we all need servers right in our own country in order to get a lag free experience? Otherwise there will always be someone whith a better ping than you, unless you camp next to the Server >.>
It canât get helped.
Thatâs really strawman rethoric.
Asking for a way to have around, or less than, 100 ping for a, supposed to be, fairly big part of the community isnât unreasonable.
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Well, unless you get a european publisher to take over you simply have to deal with that. And thatâs it.
Since Iâm pretty much pleased with high speed internet here in central Europe I canât complain.
I donât even dare to, considering a lot of people have it waaaay worse and deal with it without complaining.
just check how many servers has path of exile around the world.
as said its not unreasonable to ask for european server so we get less than 100 ping, its ok if you like playing âjust fineâ, others want to play âgoodâ.
it did lag on icbt2 and it will lag on obt/release, crossing the atlantic ocean is just no âsmall dealâ to overlook it.
you are free to play where you want to thought
I donât think thatâs a good excuse not to complain if the game is suffering from high ping. But Iâll just wait and see, if the ping is high enough that I feel its affecting my gameplay even just a little, I just wonât play, simple as that. I donât think itâs unreasonable to want to have as good conditions to play within reason, and having at least one EU server placed in the middle (Germany-ish I guess?) is in my book not unreasonable, but thatâs for everyone to decide.
But this discussion is starting to remind me of the FFXIV discussion when the EU players wanted EU servers. Feel like itâs not long before someone comes in with the âyou donât deserve to playâ and âgo back to WoWâ comments. So Iâll probably drop out of the discussion now, have said pretty much all I have to say anyways. Enjoy ToS (and hope thereâs an EU server).
If there are enough possible players for a EU server, they will most likely get a server over there sooner or later. But since I and a big amount of other players from europe arenât very willing to start over a third time, a possible EU server might need some time to get realized.
To ask IMC for is not enough. If you really want an EU server, go and mail some publishers and make other people do the same. If you are just enough, they will most likely pick up the idea for the future.
My malaysian friends are playing âjust fineâ. I, as German, am playing âgoodâ enough to not experience too many disadvantages. Especially considering that some of the NA players seem to have experienced the same lag in the closed beta.
They usually place them in Ireland tho. Itâs just cheaper over there.
Donât get me wrong, Iâd love to play on a EU server instead, if they would publish ToS both servers at the same time. But since Iâm really impatient I donât wanna wait
no one is asking to start a third time, no âpublisherâ is needed to make a european server thats what i meant with path of exile example. (figure out why you think a publisher is needed on the first place for a european server)
European population > North american population.
You definitly sound as âwe dont deserve a european serverâ.
The SEA comunity has also asked for servers of their own for the same reason, lag.
I understand and share you and your malasian friends likings to play on a worldwide server, but that basically comes with a price, lag, and im just not willing to play with lag having already tested it on icbt2, its ok if you are fine with ânot experience too many disadvantagesâ, just because its aceptable for you, doesnt mean it is for most, it definitly isnt.
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But thats the consequence for every european who starts on the international release, when there is a possible EU server roughly 6 months later. Unless the difference in latency is really heavy (as heavy as it is for SEA) these players will get mixed feelings about getting an own server.
Thats more likely when the publisher/developer has the fascilities and personnel in the mentioned locations. Or lets say a satellite. Your path of exile seem to have that. IMC barely got one in the US for now. Now that we know for sure that they will release a international open beta, IMC, which is a rare case after all (being the dev and international publisher as a Korean company), we can assume IMC is already on its limit. Which means, any more additional server must me hosted by an additional publisher, paying a fee to IMC for using their game.
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In numbers, yes. But since Europe isnât a single country you need to localize properly to gather most of them. In terms of localization, I can expect IMC working on localized clients in order to reach even non-english speaking customers. Then the only reason for another server would be to guarantee less latency.
Aside from that, IMC is NOT hosting a NA-version of the game, its an International server, excluding only the countries who got their own publisher already (with exceptions). That includes Europe. Even if we âsufferâ from mediocre latency.
Economy is a bitch. As long as you cant earn enough money with something, nobody is going to invest. If you go into a dialogue with a publisher and convince them that they will earn enough cash with a European server, they will start consider it. That has nothing to do with deserving something or not, Iâm just realistic here. But aside from that, Iâd prefer a better ping as well here.
But the prize to pay for an additional publisher are a delay of content and patience. And personally, Iâm not willing to pay either. Plus I like this community and feel attached to it~
Do you really compare the european ~150ms to the 350~650ms for sea people? They have enough reason to complain. And over there publishers have most likely the best chance to gather enough players to get a sufficient base in order to gain enough cash later on. The servers over there are being hosted by an sea company who also channels for other sea players to minimize the hosting cost.
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I understand and share you and your malasian friends likings to play on a worldwide server, but that basically comes with a price, lag,
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I would even play with them on an EU server, considering they get less latency over there. I should make them ping EU servers to check that ~
Considering your problems are really caused by your latency. To prove that, youâd have to travel back in time and space, testing your system on a location in the US. The icbt2 cant really called a beta and wasnt even near something that could be called âstableâ. To get more reliable data you need to wait for a stable release-version to check. Until so, please refrain from saying things like âbut I heard person xy saying that they had not the problems I had!â as that could be caused by other unknown factors as well.
Plus I advise you to consider using wtfast, it gives a nice improvement.
What should I say, Iâm quite tolerant and donât need to mess with ppl living near a server, suffering a lose because Iâm not on equal terms. Whereas itâs not even proven yet if thats even the case for IToS. We need to wait for reliable information to get to that conclusion.
And to sum all that up for the TL/DR guys:
- jeez, be realistic!
- just wait for it!
(ps: I feel like the main reason for all this complaining really is just that men donât want to lose to other men just because the EVIL hoster refrains from giving them equal terms! So evil! âUnfair! You just won cause I hav lag!â But thats just a subtile feeling ÂŻ\(ă)/ÂŻ)
B-but youâre the one not being realistic 
A server doesnât have to be self-hosted (Amazonâs surely arenât) or housed. You donât need any facility. Anyone can rent a server, google SoYouStart, OVH, Online, HetznerâŚ
I donât know about this⌠I always felt like there are always less EU players in any game than NA.
Anyway I would be rly happy if we would get an EU server too.
You should just be happy that the game isnât region blocked
for anyone outside of NA
Ofc it doesnât need to. And as soon as IMC places the South American server actually on the South American continent, the possibility to place one into Europe will rise. I heard ppl complaining about why that SA server isnât actually in SA.
But then I guess there might be possibly interested companies publishing in europe as well, just watching how the international server will do before deciding upon publishing or not.
Another company paying for a licence to publish is always a save way to gain money as developer
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thatâs why itâs called international