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ROGUE BACKSTAB ... you need to try it after new Gem Update

i test red gem , it’s not much different about yellow gem ( maybe red gem only good with skill have modified like musket : xxx% + xxx damage ) , i still suggest use yellow gem

what if we dont crit? :open_mouth: wrong positioning =)) hahahaha oh well,

don’t see how i can kill 400k+ mobs with snipe on no butt stroke though.

i Crit with 110k no butt stroke can’t kill them they left over around 80k ± Especially plate flyings :^)

P.s using finisher trans 60% +10 and my crit rate is actually 866. Lel…

(400str)

then good bye your damage , hahahaha

Snipe is obviously great burst, but the difference is Backstab has 2 overheat, hits twice, effectively always crits, and has a 10 second cooldown. Snipe has one use and a 25 second cooldown.

However, without Karacha set, Backstab is really gimp. Karacha Set is the Grand Cross of Rogue, if they want Rogue to be viable they need to keep making high level gear that buffs Backstab. I really hope they put a backstab bonus on a XBow + Sword set so that Hakka/Rogue becomes a legit combo.

Kinda it’s a situational based class afterall. Which excel in assassinating and piercing people butt from behind.

Do hope rouge/haka have their own set of BIS in future or it is just plain sad.

Thats why i’ll play safe with red gems =)) it makes sense if its we put bad luck in the equation hahahaha

same, they need a better gear. QS got grand cross, then didel, then we know marvel grand cross is on its way. They should do something like this for rogues, where the material needed for the next tier is the previous weapon

or you can set karacha set in “weapon swap” slot , use ANY xbow + ANY pistol ( manamana is a best sub-weapon ) , when you use backstab , it will auto swap to karacha set ( get bonus damage ) and auto swap back to your previous weapon set , BAM , no need hold karacha set 24/7

Oh a thousand times no. It has to be a single item, preferably a sword/dagger (what ever).

Will Sneak Hit be sufficient for crit so that i can just skip A2?

yes , a lot , but if you want pvp , you still need Dex to crit high CON / well equip enemy

Right, but if you use a crossbow+sword this isn’t possible because Backstab is usable with a sword so it won’t autoswap.

Sneak hit is a ■■■■■■■ weird ability. It does NOT boost your crit rate - I assumed this until I made my own Rogue, but with virtually no crit rate vs. high crit resist enemies I still crit extremely frequently with Sneak Hit. I believe it actually does just what it says it does - you have a 60%+ chance to crit from behind, period, regardless of crit rate or crit resist. This is basically what makes Rogue a good class at all, that they can ignore critrate entirely and still be one of the highest crit chance classes. Also makes Werewolf Cards obscenely strong, obviously, as that eliminates the positional requirement of Sneak Hit (but not Karacha Backstab for some reason).

Sneak hit does give you Crit chance but it is affected by Crit Resist, this is a result of a patch earlier in the year that changed the crit formula to account for Flat Crit Chance moves (Critical Shot, Double Slash Attribute, Coursing, Sneak Hit).

Basically the result of your regular crit chance formula (whether negative or positive) gets added to those fixed Crit % moves, obviously adding a negative is the same as subtraction.

So i just change Sissel to Gladiator band, so i got -5 p.atk but got more 104 Crit atk , and just 104 crit atk , it boost around 8k damage ( 4k x2 )
normal backstab :

with swordman buff :

with swordman buff + cloak :

stat is 500+ str with 2 gladband

A guildie tested it against a full con chrono and he was far from getting 70% crit chance from behind so we concluded critical resistance does affect it

I see. I like this better anyway, because ignoring crit chance completely feels like cheating and also makes gearing up weird.

question. will transcending the karacha xbow/dagger make a difference in damage? (a significant increase?)

it won’t make a difference , only crit attack make different about backstab effect

when i use hair costume +150 crit attack , BS boost 6k dmg ( yup , i have no idea )
when i change costume 150 crit attack > 121 p.atk , BS boost 1k dmg ( yup , i have no idea too ) = =

so the thread starter’s damage will be the same even if his karacha set doesnt have any upgrade on it? can someone test please :wink: