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Rodelero vs Pelt 3 skills

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#1

Hello everyone,

So I’m a Pelt 3 going Rodelero 3 as well and there are two skills that bother me due to their description. First of all, let me say that those saying that Pelt 3 are useless are completely mistaken, not only does Pelt 3 provide with the ultimate protection against incoming mobs by being able to aggro them all but it provides with a skill that makes bosses incredibly squishy: Umbo Trust

Here is my question… Peltasta 3 have Umbo trust which according to the description: Heavily strike enemies using the spikes on your shield. Enemies struck by the skill may temporarily lose the effects from their armors.

On the other hand, Rodelero have Shield push: Use your shield to interrupt enemies.The target becomes afflicted with [Unbalanced]. (Loses X amount of armor)

Peltasta’s skill CAN be used on bosses while Rodelero’s can’t. The effect itself seems to be the same even tho one seems to completely remove the armor stats while the other doesn’t.

Can anyone tell me what their thought is on the subject?

#2

peltasta not useless but not very good class, because all party get protection from the true ultimate protection class cleric ,example ironskin(can block without shield), barrier,revive,heal and other buff that increase magic defense , wizard got so much powerfull CC with high aoe ratio other class CC suck compared to them , i don’t think lose armor is usefull because other DPS class has skill reducing armor and with better DPS skill highlander,barbarian, fencer and hoplite spear lunge can boost archer damage , peltasta C1 is enough except future class or hidden class need peltasta c3

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#3

Thank you but this wasn’t what I was asking not to mention that all of those armor debuffs you’re mentioning stack one on another so they ultimately are great for taking down bosses.

I’m more wondering about the difference in between these 2 separate skills…

#4

Umbo Thrust is a C3 skill meant to be your perk for going 3 circles into Peltasta.

Shield Push is not, Shield push is a (beneficial) skill but is scaled from the premise of R4 Rodelero upwards.
Rodelero’s C3 Perk is Doubling Strike damage, which situationally is more potent for the individual Swordsman, and potentially more potent if your other physical damage dealers are tuned to also deal strike damage.

#5

Makes sense, thanks dude

#6

Not sure if this answers your question, but I have nothing but good things to say about Umbo Thrust.

  1. damage is applied after armor is stripped, so it always hits heavy.
  2. It almost always works on bosses (80% rate I’ve seen so far, at lvl 128), also has a big AOE ratio (6 things, default). With the 2 overcharge, it means you have 2x15 seconds of debuff time on a boss (downtime of 10 seconds), or enough to cover up to 12 enemies.
  3. no defense means you’re adding about 200-300 more per hit (with these things I’m hitting these days at ~lvl 130. It can mean the difference between critting for 100 vs critting for 500ish on a zero-str build. also think of your teammates and the damage you’re adding.

Not sure about Rodero’s Shield push, other than it seems to scale flatly, and rather… unimpressively.

#7

Hey and thanks! It does answer part of it so it’s always good to take :slight_smile: The rodelero skill doesn’t seem very effective and is a big let down considering it cannot be applied to bosses :frowning: