Tree of Savior Forum

Remove Enchanter ability to create scrolls

General Discussion
#41

Wowe, just because someone said that to you, then you should reroll? I see. You think that you should be a slave to everyone and just simply listen to what they say? That’s utterly rubbish.

Ye- you should listen to everyone if you think that “satisfies” you. You should’ve already known about this, but to be blunt, tbh not everyone is like that.

Even without the scrolls being available in the game, some people would’ve still say that to all of the classes. TOS isn’t the first MMORPG I’ve played.

Do people only let Linkers and Chronos, or such, in their party? Does everyone do that? I doubt it.

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#42

Sure choice just gets restricted.
Park certain classes at Enchanter.
Then make real classes. Now there’s less variables in the game :smiling_imp:

On a serious note.

Its been said again and again that this is a RP game.
Balance is horse chit.

We have numerous classes that cannot actively contribute by themselves to combat, and generally are not necessary once a fight starts.
Templar is not a combat class its not a support, its a class that enables guild functions where the only reason to progress it further is to do get R8 and r9 templar skills. If you want combat efficiency then Templar is terrible but if you like the novelty of playing as a GL then its fine.
The Devs clear don’t give a flying chit that some classes aren’t going to be strong, hell they said it in an interview that they know some classes wont be.

A game looking for Combat relevancy, isn’t going to have Squires be a thing in the first place, once you have their buffs you can kick them out
Enchants, Alchemist, Pardoners? Same deal.
Yeah they trivialize certain classes, or don’t bring much themselves (Alchemist).
You knew (at least subconsciously) this wasn’t a game marketting class balance for all, everything is raid worthy, because by design a lot of things aren’t.

Transcendence buffs giving hypothetically 550% increases.
Game doesn’t care.
Pick what you like, and enjoy it. If you suck at something go buy the skill from someone else and use it to be useful.

The mistake of the devs is thinking players give a chit about Role-play over efficiency. It’s not a single player game.

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#43

Ironically Paladin has more efficient heals due to Restoration’s hidden effect toward healing spells to offset the healing power. Nobody bats an eye when Paladin loses it’s powerspike to everyone else, but now that Linkers and Chronos feel endangered to becoming generic scroll classes, everyone’s jumping their seats. They don’t even know what abilities will be scrollable aside JP, and how basic the scrolls may be.

What a time to feel alive.

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#44

First of all, no, but that’ll still envenom an already toxic community into getting even more toxic by being pickier about classes.
Secondly, no, I don’t see how that justifies you saying “My class will still trive” while your class isn’t even slightly concerned by the issue, you might’ve as well said “The new enchanter class won’t prevent me to play Swordman” it would’ve had the same impact as your argument.
As of the later, yes? I think we didn’t see the same Shout chat you and me, because last time I checked people were HEAVILY requesting Chrono and Linkers in there. OFTEN.

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#45

Well, i was talking about scrolls, not only Enchanter. I was saying that before the class preview also, but now it’s even worse

#46

Well, durr. I request for Linkers and Chronos often, but that doesn’t mean I won’t let other classes in. Again, what the majority thinks isn’t what everyone thinks. You can not have a “perfect” class build, and I would still let you in. “There’s people like me, a lot of them.”

#47

Funny enough I thought they were going to change Pardoner, but instead they’ve double dipped.
Can’t wait till Luchadors are selling Cyclones (lol).

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#48

Then agree with your own convictions, you are not everyone, and I’m sure “a majority” won’t let those classes in anymore. Unless you think you’re more important than the entire community and “still being in your heart” is such a great deal people will turn a blind eye to Enchanter’s potential issues.

#49

Yup, you should play with those kind of people and satisfy them fully.

Note that sarcasm.

#50

Nope.
/20characterssss

#51

I really like the idea of all RMTers or botters carrying around 999 lv15 joint penalty scrolls at all times.
/s

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#52

I also don’t get why you’re so angry at this. TOS isn’t your life, it’s not your real life. It’s not like you’re your character in the game and will need to stop working in your class for your entire life. If that, you can complain. There’s a gazillion other MMORPGs that doesn’t have scrolls, why not play those instead? There’s just some things I don’t get with other people.

I would rather go to another restaurant rather than wasting my time to complain about a certain restaurant that has an awful cooking.

#53

na, i look forward for linker scrolls, finally easy mode wizard leveling, not to mention you will no longer need a damn pelta in each group, as you can “gather” mobs with a link scroll.

Opens up so many potential solo and group play options.

#54

instead of removing it’s ability to make those scrolls it should just be limited. like having a character limited to 5 of that same scroll in the inventory and giving them a cooldown seperate from the main skill. that way paladins and other scrollable classes won’t be useless. the main appeal of still playing them is the fact that they have no restricted usage of that skill besides cooldown and have a pseudo overheat thanks to those scolls. as for pardoner’s sacrament, blessing and asperio shop, those are harder to get around.

#55

Swashbuckling Scrolls on Sale now.
Are you a squishy person that will die from 5 hits?
Well give yourself level 15 Swashbuckling!.
Just pay 15000 gold per pull :imp:

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#56

Flying Swordsman that would be epic :joy:

#57

Ohh, I like that idea. Count me in with it.

#58

Assuming I’m angry and not just bored. Assuming I give a care. Saying only angry antsy people can have a conversation about a design issue in one of their entertainment media.
That’s a lot of assumptions on your part, how can you tell I’m angry, do you live with me or something? http://i.imgur.com/uVFVlhw.gif

Seriously though, try to convince me why it’s not gonna be a design mistake, instead of trying (yeah, trying, because it was pretty lame of an attempt coming from a guy who seemed salty enough to double post in the same thread) to attack me on a personnal level and then we can actually make progress on this discussion.

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#59

I think it’s only limited to level 5 JP though which is alright. We have no idea about the costs and limitations yet so I’m hoping it’s preety reasonable.

#60

People freaking out with a class that hasn’t even been further explained.

Calm your panties.

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