You raise a fair point but there was also the fact that the majority of those swordsman went barbarians. Barbarians were just nerfed.
If the same happens next beta and the barbarians are still over powered they will be balanced again. Which is the way the game should work. But we shouldn’t buff every class that complains about how over powered barbarians are-That would just be silly. Especially since they are balancing Barbarians
some of archer class can “kite” with their skill like ArcherC3 “Heavy Shot” but Swordman class don’t become push back with “Pain Barrier” buff
Wugushi can hit&run with “Bewitch”
and everyskill of Schwarzer Reiter can make you “Kite” and keep distance from enemy.
You’re talking about a level 200 wizard when i’m talking about level 69 gameplay. You clearly don’t know what im talking about or where i’m getting at.
There’s no winning with you, is there? If someone says a level below you, you act all high and mighty with your, "You guys are funny, You said you played a wizard to 25, well I played a
wizard to 69. I’ll be honest here, I didnt read everything but I don’t
really need to. You played a wizard to 25. Thats not very far, and very
much testing. In the later ranks SP consumption blows. " Yet I proved you wrong in every manner. 69 is not very far at all compared to 200. 69 is not very much testing compared to 200. And you said later ranks SP Consumption blows yet we see a video of someone using around (probably less) than 5% of his SP pool and kills a huge group of monsters and even kills some off screen. And this is a person who went full INT.
Then I showed a video of someone lower level than you completely wreck a boss with just using half his SP pool. Casters are balanced just fine. He could have killed that boss 3 or 4 times before I killed it once at his level.
I completely understand what you are talking about and where you are getting out. You are just wrong.
You don’t want to invest into spirit (Even though you don’t need to), you don’t want to leave a spell low level so you can have something to spam on trash while you level, but you also don’t want to have any SP Issues despite ignoring all the SP management tools. You see the problem with that right?
And then saying but look at what the barbarians can do! As your excuse is silly since they keep balancing the barbarian. I imagine if he is still over powered they will continue to balance him. Which is the way the game should be balanced. They shouldn’t look at the barbarian and think, “He’s overpowered lets make everything else over powered too”.
And if they did decide to make it so you can ignore spirit, ignore SP management with your abilities, and let players spam their most expensive spells without worrying about SP then what would be the point of Spirit, or mana pots?
“Yet I proved you wrong in every manner. 69 is not very far at all compared to 200.” Obviously I wasn’t 200, because the rates on the international server is significantly less than the korean server.No one got to 200 on the international beta test. Please do all your research first before you say anything about proving me wrong. And i’m saying that ive tested a wizard for 3 ranks while you merely dipped your toes into wizardry.
Anyways, i’m going to try making a high SPR wizard next go, first 100 points into SPR.
Go 2/3 INT - 1/3 SPR and you’ll be fine.
I wasn’t questioning your ability to level up, just throwing your own argument against you. You completely dismissed people because they were below your level as if that is all that matters. If that kind of thinking is true, it should remain true for people who got to lvl 200.
You are clearly wrong on all levels from what you were saying, to why you were saying it.
I would recommend a split while you are leveling like iEden suggested if you have SP Problems. 2/3 Int - 1/3 SPR and then stopping SPR as the SP problems go away.
How would you even know? You barely played a wizard to level 23. Thats barely any testing at all. You can get to 23 in like an hour. Trying to get to level 69 involves atleast 50 hours of gameplay. THAT is the point i’m making, you played a wizard for a few hours you cannot tell much about SP and balance, unless you played the KR version or atleast tested the class extensively.
What I hate, is when people complain, or defend a claim when they’ve barely done any research on the subject.
Because if it is true at level 23, and true at level 200, it’s true, that’s the point I am making. The game mechanics don’t suddenly change at level 68 and then revert back at 70.
There are been all kinds of advice given to you about how to solve the problem and if you don’t want to accept that advice it is up to you. But you can’t say, “I want to Ignore the stat that gives SP”, “I don’t want to leave a skill at lvl 1 to manage my low SP Pool because I want to ignore that stat”, “I want to spam my highest level spells” and then complain the game has SP problems. That’s ridiculous and anyone can see that. Someone who hasn’t played your class, who hasn’t even played this game should be able to see that. I have done research on all the classes and most post/articles regarding all the classes.
Why the hell are you assuming that I didn’t put any stat points into SP? I Even put 2 +5 blue gems into my gloves that gave more SP regen. Its not nearly enough.
And what do you mean true at 23 and true at 200. Thats BS the game scales so its not the same at 200, at 200 theres many different extra abilities and other items you get to help you with SP regeneration and damage. At 23 you are barely into Rank 2 choosing either the same class or a different class and have like only 7 or 8 abilities.
23 is way different than 200.
And the level is irrelevant, it’s the amount of time it took to get to the levels that I was referring to. I’m simply saying you don’t know enough about the class since you barely tested it. It literally takes like an hour or two to get to level 23.
Saying this over and over is not getting you anywhere read this forum again the majority of people here are disagreeing with you. With the size of the majority i cant help but think it might be worth your time to consider their advice.
Are you saying that this problem is unique to you then? Or that the video of someone a lower level killing a boss with just half his SP pool 3-4 times faster than I could isn’t real? Or that the video of someone lvl 200 full int killing a ton of mobs some of which were off screen and only using a fraction of his SP isn’t real either?
If you think it takes an hour or two to get to level 23-Then I think everyone would agree you are just making stuff up now and are willing to say anything to try and prove yourself right, even though everything is disproving what you are saying.
The bottom line is there are many ways to mitigate the SP problem if you choose to take them (Like keeping an ability you won’t be using at lvl 1 to help farm trash until later levels where the other options can help). Or putting more points into SPR.
I agree that level is irrelevant but you are the one willing to dismiss people based on their levels and as I said earlier people at level 200 don’t have SP problems even when they are INT focused entirely and even with their bonus I imagine level 200 still takes more time than level 69. But if you haven’t put that much research into your classes I understand, but some of us have.
HOW ARE YOU SO DENSE!?
I’m saying at level 200 you have much more resources to upgrade your SP regen with at 200. AT 200 you have many more skills unlocked.
At a lower level than you killing a boss with half SP probably because its faster and does more damage to just use your default attack at a lower level. You dont even understand because you havent done enough testing.
How is that so hard to get across to you. You’re saying things based purely off speculations from other peoples experience.
I played wiz-pyro-pyro up to level 46+ on this icbt(also made a cleric level 45-50). I never had any sp issues so its probably just you not knowing what to do. And there has been really good advice given on this thread.
I played as a wizard until level 60 (Wiz > Cryo > Linker), never had problems with my SP consumption, even soloing bosses (though I prefer to play in party), my build is Spirit heavy (2:1:1 SPR:INT:CON).
I have lots of game-play footage (almost all my game-play since I was streaming), here are a couple of my last day game-play vids (just ignore the spanish audio chat xD).
I am refuting your claims and pointing out how your logic is wrong, and I am the dense one? Hahahaha. You crack me up.
Okay-So you acknowledge that at 200 SP is manageable. That is awesome 
Then you say it would be faster and more damage to do your default attack at lower levels-Which to me implies you never played a physical based character. My average auto attack did very little damage to bosses and my special attacks did little more to bosses. As I have stated it would take me 3-4 times as long to kill that boss and if I wanted to speed it up and spam my abilities and use SP potions the entire time he still killed that boss easily twice as fast as it would take me.
There is no wild speculations here. Like I am not speculating a person in the 40’s can kill a boss with half his sp 3-4 times faster than I could, I know this. I am not speculating a person level 200 can handle his sp just fine with no spirit. Both of these suggest SP is just fine (Okay this part is a speculation but it is one supported with examples and proof.
And as you see there are plenty of casters who support the claim that SP wasn’t that much of an issue as well that got much further than I did as a caster.
Ok great, you played a different class than me and had no SP problems. Whats your point? You played a PYRO you have PYRO SKILLS. GOD are you a noob!? I played a wizard to circle 3? I have only 3 attack skills as Wizard ranked 3. You know nothing about Wizard rank 3 and I didn’t build wrong. I didn’t have a problem leveling either, but I had to specifically group up to level, because I was trying to build into linker, thaumaturge.
TLDR Pyro circle 2 uses different skills than wizard circle 3, you cannot compare.
Ok there is no point on arguing with you. You know nothing about game balance, nor you understand game mechanics. I’m a mage class that has MORE SKILLS TO SPAM than you, so my sp usage is even higher, yet I’ve 0 sp problems. Are you dense or what? Also, sorry but it seems you dont even understand how this game works LOL how could you be a wizard3 and wanted to be a linker? You realize its wizard-wizard2-linker right?. And wizard2 still has 2 damaging spells(unless you count lethargy, which I dont lol). Ok, my pyro used: energy bolt, Earthquake,Sleep,Reflect Shield,Fire ball,Fire wall,Fire pillar and enchant fire, never had any sp problem spamming all of those skills.
I “don’t” understand the game mechanics yet, I probably got further than you and tested more than you did, and also spent alot of time communicating with other high level players for the iCBT. Even though I’ve already talked about using gems to boost SP.
You really don’t understand the game yet, you just said you were Wizard 3 and plan to go linker which is not possible. You can go Wizard 2->linker though.
And as @sebastian_sanders199 said him going Pyro doesn’t help his SP regen rate, or SP pool, it actually gives him more abilities which means more SP consumption.
@Grillo said he went to lvl 60 (Wiz>Cryo>Linker) and never had problems.
So now we go people way earlier than you with no SP issues, people slightly lower than you with no SP issues, people near your level with no SP Issues, and people at lvl 200 with no SP issues.
And plenty of suggestions on how to manage SP better. It almost feels like the problem isn’t the game at all when it comes to SP issues.