doppels and fencers have soooooo many skills.
other murmillo skills will all be just situational. pelt c3 skills, even w/ the increase damage from Murmillo is still low compared to other skills other circles might offer and it wont lock us to having only strike skills.
provided the clones also wear that helmet, then it is possible for them to also benefit from the dmg bonus.
im thinking the helmet has to be cast first then followed by clones.
Has it been confirmed that clones do not copy buffs at all? like GungHo, Concentrate, Frenzy, DoV, High Guard?
Well even if they didn’t get the Helmet Bonus, it still seems alright
400% (you) + 500% (5 clones), before all the strike debuffs
it definitely is alright without the helmet. i have already been building one such build with that. but just pointing out about the ‘400% x6’ and ‘200% x6’ part. some bit more of light needs to be shined on that detail.
Things that the clones currently copy for me:
Gung Ho
Restrain
Pain Barrier
Stealth
Double Slash: Critical
Bash: Knockdown
Rim Blow
Umbo Blow
Spear Lunge/Crossguard/Attaque Coquille (don’t have these but confirmed by others)
Based on that list, I believe they’ll copy the helmet buffs because it’s kinda similar to what DS: Critical and the extra pierce damage skills do. I think that’s why they added Pelt and Rod to Bunshin list. Will find out for sure in a month 
They don’t do additional damage like Concentrate, Sacrament, etc. Someone a while back said they copy DoV since it’s just your physical attack.
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Shinobi can now copy Shooting Star from Rodelero C3.
Shinobi does not copy Murmillo’s helmet!
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i have a question, is it really required to equip 1h and shield / dagger to use murmillio skill? why does the toy hammer can use the helm skill of murmillo if it does require it?
Cassis Crista, Frenzied Slash and Headbutt are One Hand Sword + Anything (Shield, Dagger, other stuff like the Toy Hammer, nothing)
Only Evade Thrust and Scutum Hit specifically require a 1h + shield.
does anybody tried already using 1h spear and shield? tnx
It wont work. Has to be sword. The skills themselves state as such.
Well that was quick. Dreams shattered 
Is that in KTOS? Sorry just got in this thread.
Nope, iToS.
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does anybody tried already ok ktos on lancer? can lancer skills use while on 1h spear and shield? tnx
I’m not sure if I should redo my future-Murm. 
It’s currently Lv.256 Sw1 - Pelt1 - Hop1 - Rode3 - Shinobi1
Redoing just for 1 circle kinda sucks though. 
That looks solid with Rod3. All I have to work off of is Pelt1 lol. Then I have to deal with the lag and glitch infested weapon swap since I have Cor2.
hmm, lets wait and see more tests, but the new skills are 3 multihit with high base dmg, but redel and zucken are a lot of multihit so duno. but that guy has like 7k physical dmg o.O wtf
My problem is the Hop1 circle. I took it for Finestra and the ability to use One-handed Spears
Quoting someone else:
General concensus is that Dragoon is strongest, Fencer is behind that, and Fletcher is behind Fencer.
In kTOS.
Let’s hope this isn’t a bug and it doesn’t get nerfed 
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