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You still can, using Bash + EW then Doompike, thats how squishy those archers are, all cata have to do is to have tons of accuracy. All with good attributes. Thats why if your rush fails wait for them to come out on their camouflage
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I noticed most archers separate from their cryo or clerics, thats the timing. My job probably on rank 8 is to kill fellow Lancers. Most lancer will build con and STR, all i have to do is unmount them and kill the pet, then watch them running as you poke their back using normal attack. As long as there are physical on PVP youll never ran out of job.
about the gung ho, concentrate thing. imo, gung ho is added in normal dmg number, mean count toward crits, concenrate is another number proc i assume is out of crits count, if your crits counts and actually hit.
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I dont care seriously, as long as i dont lose to a swordsman becuase that would be more humiliating. With lancer you can kill clerics with high degree of percentage, safetywall and heal will not work. 25khp should be more than enough.
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Level 15 gung ho add 100 atk, with crit it’s 150, with 100% attribute it’s 300 (assuming you crit)
Level 15 concentrate with 400 STR add 380 damage. More if you can add more STR
So you see, concentrate is always better, even if you crit all the time and have 100% attribute
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That. I just realized just now. If you take dragoon. Atleast you can use rank 7 atk skills without mount…but still bad news though if you cant mount… I always experience that if you die and resued in tbl. Lel
Both Gung ho and Concentrate scale the same for multi hit skills. If one is better in one case, it is better in all cases
Now Gung ho has the advantage of base multiplier, but concentrate scales with your STR and DEX, so at end game concentrate will be better and better, while Gung ho stays the same.
Note that there is an area that I’m not sure how Concentrate behaves. That is damage debuff on target. Take serpentine for example, would it debuff boost concentrate? I don’t know that.
And 1 more point, even if you max concentrate, you still have level 3 Gungho for the attribute, so players with max Concentrate will only have 50 less attack from Gung ho comparing to players that max Gung ho. But players that do not max concentrate will suffer from concentrate bonus scaling low with lower levels.
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If they change Gung ho to +15% atk - 15% def then yeah, I will pick it all the time. Currently it’s so poor comparing to any other skill
i guess you have never played swordsman c3, but restrain works even if you miss
it even works on people inside safety zone
1 day when you play swordsman c3 cata c3 you’ll know too 
you don’t need to have 400 dex to lose to a swordsman. a swordsman 3 cata 3 dragoon already beat any other swordsman who doesn’t have ur same build.
if you look at the rank 8 preview, it seems like rank 8 already does looking at the skills damage (they literally do above 100k with those skills only in the preview) and i’m talking about dps skills and not burst lol even the murmilo in the video dealt tons of damage