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Question about Vienarazis Mace and general +min/max attacks

@kamuitouma

Sorry, this was wrong before, apparently yeah, 310 max attack means +155 matk at level 7 gem, which makes it better than 96 matk from level 7 blue gem.

Wait so do red gems affect max magic attack or not?

The “no” is a typo, right?

it does in fact work on magic atk, but is not better than blue gem this is what he was talking about.

Well when we get the gem update…

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@tampon

He asked if red gems are better than blue gems for matk, I said no.

Yes, they work for matk, I’ve already tried it.

Yeah your typo just confused me. Anyway, check the table above

source: here

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Oh, I didn’t see that table yet :open_mouth:

So yeah, they’re better, just did 2 level 6 blue gems on their way to level 7 for nothing

They’re still good for magic users’ shields, i guess… and gloves but… lol sp rec

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@tampon

Thanks a lot for the table, Red Gems here I go, making 6 level 6 red gems (armor,pants and weap) for starters from now on to my next set of gear.

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No it is not. I have the mace and can confirm it does add to magic attack.

standard forum bullshitting about things they don’t even have to test with

alright guys, calm down. why would you even bother testing when the game says they’re different stats. maybe if you get enough int it’ll turn your swordsman skills magic, don’t know until you try…

Some screenshots on the min-max stats affecting matk


This is prior to equipping the mace. 574 Int, 976-976 matk, 0 mamp equipment.


After equipping the mace, 1819 - 1971 matk.

Min matk = 976 (initial matk) + 111 (matk from int in mace) + 532 (matk from mace) + 32 (lv7 blue gem) + 168 (min attack from mace) = 1819

Max matk = 976 (initial matk) + 111 (matk from int in mace) + 532 (matk from mace) + 32 (lv7 blue gem) + 320 (max attack from mace) = 1971

So the mace actually adds 700 - 852 matk, discounting int bonuses. Here is a +9 windia with lv2 transcendance I saw from another player.

Judging from this, the mace actually is better than windia rod as long as windia is below +10 and under lv3 trascendance.

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@Nekorin

Thanks for the screenshots!

It works exactly as I expected!

532 + 111 = 643

643 + 168 = 811

643 + 320 = 963

with 2 level 6 gems, red or blue it gives:

480 max matk = +240 matk (red)

+150 matk (blue)

so…

811~1443 matk with red gems

961~1113 matk with blue gems

revamped gems considered obviously!

Whoa good info here! I was eyeing the mace myself but knowing that the “min/max attack” as described on the mace and red gems applies to matk too is a gamechanger for me. Thanks guys!

To me having the mace is a both a good thing and a bad thing. Saw your post on the wiz balancing and this mace vs rod /staff balancing is also worrying.

The 3 magic attack purple items, Windia Rod, Vienarazis Mace and Vienarazis Staff each has an item level of 403. Item levels are supposedly used to balance equipment with regards to their relative power level in relation to each other.

It just makes no sense that the mace has a magic attack level that is almost to a +9 lv2 transcended rod that is of the same item power level, although it can’t be upgraded in the matk dept. What happened to the balance.

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I think it’s fair because you can’t enhance or upgrade the mace but well, I understand your point.

Keep in mind that if your intention is simply waiting for the orange recipes then you probably won’t want to craft either of the purples, seeing as there’s still no other way to acquire Practonium. Your best bet would be raising an alt (preferably one that doesn’t actually need a top weapon, i.e. support), snatching the Prac off of that and tucking both between ur breast warm and tight till paper cube recipes are in.

As far as orange 315 weapons go, i’d go with the Staff rather than either the rod or mace. It has quite the superior base matk than both, as well as some much needed con if you’re to drop con entirely from stat point distribution :thinking:

@meiohjp

Rank 8 haven’t even completed 2 weeks. There are most likely going to be other ways to acquire Practonium, even if at high prices (10m each for example if only level 320~330 WB drops it)

I got 1 rank 8 char, 1 rank 7 level 250 PD and a rank 4 char waiting for Miko so that’s 3 Practoniuns in the foreseeable future.

By the way, staff is indeed, for WIZARDS, a better option, Clerics can NOT wear Staffs though, you still lose Lionhead Dagger/Shield though.

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I agree that there’s probably going to be another way to acquire it, but it has been quite a bit longer than 2 weeks for ktos and there’s still no other way that i’m aware of. In fact upon checking the AH like 2 days ago there was a single prac for 48m up over there. This is IMC after all…

One thing that makes me wary of other ways through which you could get Practonium is that for some god forsaken reason 315 orange gear is actually higher ilvl and superior in every way to Solmiki, which requires 330 to even wear and well… you know how the acquiring method goes. :sweat:

And yeah, i’d feel worse about “losing” lionhead dagger/shield if you could trans the dagger to improve it, and if they didn’t cost yet another practonium on their own.