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Question about these AFK farmers

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#1

Am I correct on these?

Legal = leave pet and Shoggoth, no other actions, can leave it online while you sleep.

Not Legal = using Sorc Summon + Necromancer Skeletons, using macro to auto SP pot & recast skel every xx minutes.

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#2

Yes, but not well accepted by most, you also have a risk of someone coming and release a monster higher level than you, there is also the fact that Shoggoth is not all that in terms of damage for that kind of operation, people tend to use Skellies for that, then again i don’t know a thing about necros so someone might give a better answer on that.

Yes, it is not legal and will be reported.

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#3

Skeletons dont require recast.

Basically, as long as you don’t use any bot/macro or whatever tool to make your game “play itself”, its ok. Those aren’t allowed.

Sorc’s summmon cant be left afk because it needs mana to work, if there’s someone truly afk with a summon, then s/he is using some not legal tool.

Companions, Shoggoth and skeletons are fine since they dont require the player to do something to keep them up.

#4

when will humans understand that Legal =/= morally acceptable

a huge amount of atrocities have been done under the banner of the law and legality :unamused:

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#5

Tbh… You’re talking about leaving your computer running all day… And ToS isn’t a light application. Processor and vid card cooking and fans all going. You’ill end up paying for it in wear to your parts and the electric bill.

I reminded of that I.T. guy that got in big trouble because he setup a university computer network to run a program while idle that helped with the human genome project. Cost the university a truly outrageous sum of money.

#6

sorcs are the illegal ones with auto pot, necros skeleton can last about 2-3hrs or so, then you just have to log out and log in and recast it to refresh all skeletons

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#8

we already lack players banning them would make the game more dead

#9

Not like you have to perma ban first time offenders. A 5 day ban is enough to get the message across.

But it sounds like they just need to extend that program they use for bot detection to include spotting auto-potion.

#10

There is no players in macro chars, its the same thing as no players in the end of the day.

Just because the player base is dropping doesn’t mean anything is accepted.

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#12


and ■■■■ Read Only mode :rage:

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#14

I’m going to say this again.

DO NOT REPORT AFK ANYTHING AS A BOT, It only hurts your rating because the system won’t see them as such. For those of you who don’t know…

There is a system in place where when you report a BOT (Thats a real bot) you gain a sort of point if you will. When you report a BOT that isn’t recognized as a BOT you lose a point.)

If someone with a high rating reports a BOT the system will take priority in checking said account target. If you have a low score, it will vastly ignore you.

Necromancers and Sorcerers are NOT considered BOTs to the system.
Sorcerers using either keyboard macro or the Add-on will NOT be considered a BOT.

Make a video showing 100% proof that a Sorc is Auto-potting and send it to IMC. That is the only way you’ll get them banned. Either that, or wait for GM Durian to log on as he often cleans up that area.

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#15

The bot report function we added to the game can effectively ban bots if used properly, but we also have to consider the possibility of its abuse. Throughout time, we’ve been doing research on how we can minimize this abuse. We’re going to explain our report feature in close detail and tell you what to keep in mind when reporting bots.

First, not all reports hold the same validity. Each account has a value called “Report Influence Index.” This value cannot be seen by players, but it increases whenever said account correctly reports a bot.

If a user is reported repeatedly by others, that user is very likely to be a bot. In addition, if the reporter is an influential individual, their report is most likely valid so we can set a priority on which account to ban first. This is where the Report Influence Index (RII) comes in. In terms of numbers, a player with 10 RII has the same impact as 10 different players with 1 RII each when reporting suspicious users.

Accounts with high report counts will then move to the next step of verification. Some have suggested using CAPTCHA, but that too, will be breached eventually. It puts needless restrictions on the players, so we are not considering its use. Instead, what we chose to use is a server-side classifier based on Machine Learning (ML) technique.

The classifier uses the comprehensive activity log of a reported account to determine if it’s a bot in percentages. We will not be revealing the classifier’s exact mechanism, as it can be manipulated by violators to bypass the system. We train our classifier by constantly inputting new data. The fact that we can maintain its accuracy is its advantage, because we’re going to manually determine which factors should be considered to identify bots. The classifier’s accuracy depends on how we determine the behavior criteria, and we examine over 20 basic criteria. The machine showed 99% accuracy on our Korean server when we set the machine to output fewer false positives. If we set strictness value low, the classifier will detect more bot with lower accuracy and vice versa.

An account that is deemed to be a bot becomes subject to restriction after a GM’s additional confirmation. If that account gets banned, then all the users who reported that account gain one RII point.

However, should the reported account be declared clean, the reporter’s RII value will be negatively affected. The RII is not a simple difference between the numbers of accurate and inaccurate report counts, and the algorithm we use to determine the final RII value can be changed in the future. Therefore, you should not report bots if you’re unsure of their offense. The system can backfire on you if you’re not careful.

For example, a player going afk while leaving a heavy object on the attack key has to be handled differently from regular bots. The classifier can deem the afk player innocent from looking at the honest play records, so afk players should not be reported using the report function as that will work against your RII.

Lastly, if we’re not absolutely sure the reported account is a bot, then it will not be banned and the reporter’s RII will remain unchanged.

We’re going to keep examining and upgrading the system and do our best so bots will not ruin your play experience. Thank you for reading and have fun playing Tree of Savior.

#16

I’ve reported TeamNames via the ingame function that I still see botting. So, are they still passing the final test, the GM confirmation (that’s bull), and am I getting punished for this?

I think I may have tried the same (to a much lesser extent) with Autopotting sorcs, though thanks to your post I’ll be doing my best to just ignore this from now on (grinds teeth). Sorry but I cba to take a video and upload it my youTube account; that’s not what what my channel is for.

Edit: Like this player in Klaipeda right now, ch3, right next to [Storage Keeper] Rita. For many days and weeks she’s been there just Stone Picking for no good reason. I’ve been reporting that as a bot (you can’t just hold down a key so it’s either a macro, script or programmable keyboard/mouse/controller) and as it’s still there picking up stones I guess it’s negatively impacted my RII? This might concern me, if I felt GMs were actually capable of properly confirming their own system’s suspects.

#17

A lot of people don’t know about the system. It’s to keep players from abusing it. However as such, if you tag these afk players as BOTs it will negatively effect you making your reports go un-noticed til you get back in the Green area.

Want some positive points? Head to Tenet or any of those area’s and go to town. Bots are fairly obvious there.

I reported a few the other day, within about 4 hours they were completely gone. But I also should have quite the positive RII. Others go on about reporting them and then those same BOTs being there for weeks. I’m going to say; it’s either error on the system part, or user due to incorrectly reporting real bots.

EDIT: You won’t get positive notes til enough players Report or a few with good RII report them as well enough to get the system to flag them.

#18

Nope, I don’t think I’ll go to the effort of ‘farming’ credibility points. If your system has identified me as an unreliable tagger then so be it. I’ll make sure it doesn’t get worse; no point in that, but I won’t be going out of my way to improve my cog as I’ve no confidence in the machine.

Edit: Actually, you know what, I’ll do just that and see if I can’t get one of these fabled gladiator bracelets while I’m at it.

#19

Out of complete ignorance…the ppl on towns spamming on chat with RMT webpages…are those bots?

I’ve reported tons of them thinking i was helping with my grain of sand, now that i read this i’m afraid i was doing the total opposite making my account non-believable :c.

#20

Yeah. I’ve also done that. It’s too easy to f* yourself in this game without even knowing it.

Oh, how about reporting suspicious offers in the market? Does that impact our credit rating?