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Question about build

Class and Rank Cleric
#1

Hello,

I would like to ask some help in my build.

Now, I´m cleric>priest2>krivis2 (lvl150 - SPR/CONS 2:1 build). I was planning go with cleric2>priest3>krivis>PD, but some friends asked me to change PD to krivis2. But now, I´m afraid if cleric 1 is enough to do a good job (in ET for example).

I only play PvE (world boss and dungeons).

I´m not sure how can I repair this build. If I choose cleric2 and forget PD (cleric2>priest3>krivis2), or forget Priest3 (cleric2>priest2>krivis2>PD).

I´m doing a new char (Diev3) to substitute this one if I haven’t solution to solve this issue, because some people said PD is important… And other said to me cleric2 is fundamental. So, after listening their opinions, I need both (cleric2 and PD).

Suggestions?

Thanks.

#2

If you’re a support, yeah, Cleric 2 is a must have.
While 10/11 Heal tiles (x2) are usually enough, 5/6 are really not (if you’re the only support.)

Stone Skin, if you’re mainly SPR, is really amazing and a life saver.
PD is really loved, and its heal is great, but it’s not as fundamental as Cleric 2.
Since you have Res and Revive, I’d say you can go C2P2K2PD and still be viable for ET. You’d also have 3 different heals, which is really nice.
I’d just find it a bit of a shame not to have Stone Skin when you have so much SPR.

You can also force whoever made you get Krivis 2 to plevel you when you reroll.
You’re still “only” level 150, it’s fairly fast to get back there.

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#3

@Goldie, thanks for your answer.

So, you think cleric2>priest2>krivis2>PD better than cleric2>priest3>krivis2?

Yes, my focus is healer/support. Our group will have a wiz support too (linker),

Now, like I said, I´m doing a cleric2>diev3>X>PD to improve CCs in our group. And reading your answer, probably reroll will be the best choice.

X can be priest, krivis, oracle, druid or cleric3.

I know almot all prefer druid, but I would like focus to do a healer/support build.

So, I´m thinking so hard what to do… Krivis I will have Daino and aukuras (in this build, I´m running without SPR, so Zalciai will be lvl1). Priest to ress and blessing (I know about ktos changes and I don´t have SPR to blessing), oracle will give some nice skills, but probably if I choose this way, I will go with Kabbalist in Rank7 (prophecy+ein sof).

And last option… Cleric3… I know it´s a overkill (heal), but with this I can wait Rank8 to choose something that combine better than this options…

I´m lost… Hehehe. As you may have noticed, I don´t like standard builds so much. I would like to try new things to improve my char. My focus is PvE and be a healer/support.

Could you help me with your experience?

Thanks.

#4

You can support whit priest3/cleric1 , cleric2 is overrated.

But make ur mind up about if you wanna boost support or damage, because kivris 2 is a damage rute that gets nothing out of SPR.

So you can,

-Go full int and ignore stone skin.

-Balance INT and SPR to have a somewhat aceptable stone skin and somewhat acceptable dps (i rlly dont recoment this)

-Go full spr and tickle whit zaibas (whats the point on pick kivris2 then)

#5

@shadgan_85, thanks for your feedback.

My friend said to me the same about cleric2 before ask me to bring krivis2. However, I’m afraid about this. Investing a lot of time to get rank7 and after that, need to reroll because my char isn’t efficient to support like a cleric2 for example.

To solve this issue about zaibas and SPR, I thought to put 0 points.

Into my mind, the question is: This build (cleric-priest3-krivis2-PD, for example) will be better to support my party than cleric2-diev3? Even in ET for example. Even if I choose cleric2 and remove PD, I can do a good job in current end game?

Because like @Goldie wrote, It´s not hard to take 150 again. So I can do another char more useful to my party.

Answering your options, I prefer go with SPR and CONS, because I will have stone skin, deprotected, monstrance, blessing (future), zalciai and mass heal with SPR benefits. And krivis 2 I thought to go with aukuras(5), Zalciai(10), Daino(10) and Divine Stigma(5).

Thanks a lot for your help.

#6

cle/pri3/kivri2/PD should work. you gonna have to walk in circles abit waiting for cds but zaibas 10 must be awesome BBQ.

I have it lvl5 and get a boner whit these 18x 5k hits in under 2 seconds, imagine 28x whit AOE boost.

If shepard is sh1t and there isnt PD2 ill get kivris2 at R8 for sure.

#7

@shadgan_85, are you cleric1?

But IMO to go with zaibas 10, you need to focus in INT or go between INT/SPR. With blessing modification and stone skin, I´m not sure if this is a good choice.

If you are cleric1, have you tried ET like support?

Thanks.

#8

Thing is, that everyone wanna do everything, and as the saying “Jack of all trades, master of none”.

If you want a fiable and competent stone skin, then forget about any dps dealing, focus on that. If you wanna deal damage then forget stone skin and spr scalings.

I, consider myself a dps priest. i cant fill the room whit heal tiles, i cant make everyone inmune to physical damage forever, and i cant make you inmortal even if you play whit the ass.

What i can do is deal dps and support.

About your ET question, yes i did it and i can support. What i do is keep always Revive on, Drop healing factor in the tank wich makes him imortal to Zergs, drop some heal tiles in archer ranges so they can heal themselves whiout me looking at them, and position myself so i can hit the most posible targets whit mass heal when needed.

When we reach a boss, i drop a protecting field and spamm all my damage spells, if still feel safe then smack it whit aspergillum. If sh1t gets real then i steep back and keep whit support plan.

Now you will say, but i rather pick a full support and have us overprotected. The difference of having 3 dps and 4 is abyssmal. The longer the figth the more chance of wipe.

This is a good video on how earth tower feels:

As you see the priest is most of the time afk chating. Because he cant deal damage, and heal isnt needed all the time.

Btw tell me how exactly more heal tiles help whit these boss nukes? Still dont think much about ET, floor 6 does a big difficulty jump and floor 7 is buged AF.

#9

@shadgan_85, first of all, thanks for your help.

Amazing video. Barrier is fantastic, and revive help a lot.

My mind is still stuck in WoW Healers, and this game is different. Like support, I need to do other things.

I got your point of view and I agree when you said: “Jack of all trades, master of none”.

I´m playing with a diev to test (cleric2>diev3>X>PD - Lvl70). But now I know that I can use my cleric>priest3 in current endgame if I dislike this diev build.

If I choose diev build, what do you suggest to rank6 (support)?

Thanks.

#10

You won’t take Zaibas, right ?
If you don’t, you’ll basically be worthless as a possible extra DPS, which is why I think you should focus on support skills in this case.
You won’t help them make the fights end faster, you’ll be there to heal/save/buff them, which is why I tend towards Heal 10~

I focused on the support side. I have lots of SPR, my Stone Skin is amazing and makes everybody immune to PATK damages, I have a maxed Revive, I’m a buff machine, and I’m there to make sure everything goes smoothly without anybody having to care about anything but kill the things.
Of course I’ll go and throw a few attack skills from time to time… but I don’t move the damages balance much. I basically don’t, let’s be real XD
I’m always a full support though in games, and love it, I don’t feel the need to deal good damages, that’s why I went FS.

In an ideal party, Heal 5 is possible. But I like Heal 10. Because life isn’t ideal.
Sometimes in missions I end up with only DPS (often, actually), in dungeons too. Also a lot of people tend to panic when their HP is getting low (some even run anywhere but to the heals, great reflexes there) and it seems to be even worse when Heal is only 5: it’s like they’re afraid there won’t be any left when they’ll truly need it, so they make it so they keep their HP to max. Then you have the tank with no HP left and who has to wait for the Heal’s cd to be over… @_@
“Better be safe than sorry” for me, so Heal 10 and I don’t have to always tell DPS “Don’t eat all the tank’s heal tiles, please”.
If you have a pre-made great party and want to build your character around ET, you can prob go Priest 3 with a maxed Mass Heal and Stone Skin.
But since there’ll be new content after ET and 280, I find it a bit of a shame to build only around it.
(Then go CP3K2PD)

Now, what you can do, is level a bit more your Dievdirbys. You’ll have Cleric 2 on it, right ? So you can take Heal 10 and compare the two.
Do dungeons and missions around your level on your support and your Diev. See which amount of Heal tiles suit you better.

Dievdirby 3 + Cleric 2 + PD would be nice for ET because of the support effects + Heals + damages.
If you want a Rank 6 support only, I’d say Priest or Oracle. Krivis 1 is a bit useless if you’re not Priest and don’t go much on SPR (which I doubt you will, as a Dievdirbys ?).

As a full support, Cleric 2 Priest 3 is the most common one, I’d say. (with Krivis 1 as an extra for Daino, from what I’ve seen).
I like Cleric 2 not only because of Heal, but Divine Might and Fade, while situational, can be quite useful. That’s really pure support though.
Priest’s Revive is just the best, they have Resurrection, and if SPR Stone Skin basically gives PATK immunity, it’s too great. Mass Heal when maxed is just the best too. Of course you have Blessing (which should be a great addition when we get the kTOS patch), Aspersion that is quite nice (+ damages).
Krivis to me is a support’s support. As it can’t heal or protect directly, but it has lots of great buffs. But most of its buffs (Aukuras, Daino, Zalciai) are scrollable, which makes this class quite meh to me. I have a mule Krivis-Pardoner to feed my main scrolls, so I didn’t take it. I do like Zaibas’ extra damages though, but not good enough to make a real DPS if it’s your only damage class.

It’ll also depend on what kind of support you want to be. Full support ? Half-support ? More DPS than support, but still able to make it so the party doesn’t die (much) ? SPR ? INT ?

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#11

Dont compare a scroll whit a lvl100 atribute skill please, for the rest i agree, full support does better at supporting.

I dont fool myself, i have a shitload of dps not even kiding. Other thing that ppl forget is that Heal scales on INT not on SPR, so even having just 5 tiles per cast it heals much more than a SPR build.

ugh, thats a hard one. cle2>diev3>X>PD , whit cle3 can work around not having mass heal but, not having revive ;S . maybe the cooldown statue and spamm heal like crazy, idk revive is just too good. Maybe Druid somewhere for that inmunity skill, can kinda remplace revive.

#12

Of course, I don’t dislike or find Krivis useless. Actually I find the class interesting, which is why I don’t like the fact that Pardoner can scroll most of its skills… While it can’t sell most of the other classes’ skills.
Even without the attribute though the -crit defense and +crit attack stay good enough. But yeah, much better with +100 extra crit attack.
(Not so many people max it though >>)

It does, which is why I’ve kept it at 5 on my INT toons. But the scale will only get nice at high levels. In the long run for an INT build Heal 10 is probably not necessary, yeah. Especially if you go PD. But for an SPR/full support build… It’s so much better.

Druid only gets the grass-shield (I think it’s what you mean by immunity skill) at circle 2.
But Dievdirby has Carve Tree (silence enemies) + Ausrine statue (invincibility, if the teammates know how it works…), so with Heal 10 (11 with Divine Might) and PD he could probably make it work. There’s also still Fade for when it gets bad. I suppose most see it as a useless skill, but it gives immunity too so it’s great when things are on cd and it’s getting bad.

#13

Dear, Zaibas atribute doubles the damage, nothing to do whit crit. For that the scroll is not comparable, does half as much.

I dont understand how your saying for priest to be viable you need cle2 but cle2/diev3/X/PD is fine as support.

#14

Hello,

Probably because mass heal doesn’t has overhit like heal.

So, for example:

Cleric 2: 10 tiles - 2x (5% + bonus each tile)
Cleric 1 + Priest3: 5 tiles - 2x (5% + bonus each tile) + 28% mass heal (everybody + bonus)

Talking with you and after watched that video, probably cleric1 + priest3 can do this job, but it’s harder than put 20 tiles in the ground. You need to get a good position before use your mass heal. But normally your party run like crazy when their life is less than 50%, and this difficult a lot to use mass heal.

I always play with same friends group (even in WoW). So, we use RC and can combine something in this situations.

I got lvl75 with my diev and it’s a nice class. You told me about oracle, but in my opinion, oracle is better for PvP, or am I wrong?

I know priest will give me ress, but my build is Int/Cons. I’m afraid to use this. Probably if I stay with diev, I will choose krivis or druid. I thought oracle+kabbalist, but I don’t have enough informations about this.

I thought to use cleric3 and wait rank8. It can be work. It’s harder to decide since we can’t reroll rank, and I don’t have enough time to do another char again after rank7.

I’m trying to find a good synergy with these support and my playstyle.

In cleric-priest3 build, I can use some gems to improve heal tiles. I have in my bank these gems.

#15

You can’t scroll Zaibas… I was talking about Zalciai. I don’t see why you’d talk about Zaibas when I was talking about buffs that can be scrolled.

Because Priest adds mainly buffs. As a heal they only have Mass Heal, with 30s cd + people tend to dodge it.
So you’ll have mainly Heal 5 to heal. And usually as a Priest 3 you’re mainly SPR too, not much INT.
Diev silences, slows down enemies, help the party to kill faster, and even gives invincibility and if you add to that Healing Factor + Heal 10, yeah, you’ll be supporting enough.

@leofontoura
Resurrection shouldn’t be used too often, but since you have no Revive I think it’s a good addition. It’d more of a “better be safe than sorry” rank in your build. I don’t use Res that often, but when things get ugly it can be nice.
(Getting ugly usually = DPS went too yolo)

Oracle has more utility in PvP, it’s way more situational in PvE, yeah. I do like Forecast though.
Druid is popular with Dievdirbys and it’ll still add DPS, so yeah, good addition too.
For Krivis it depends I guess. Usually Daino is needed because of a party with several classes that buff a lot (Chrono, Thauma, Priest…), but if you won’t add many buffs, not that worth it, I’d say ? If you already know with whom you’ll play, maybe check with their build if you’d have a use for it.
What would you take as a Krivis for the skills ?

I kind of wanted Cleric 3 too. Just because it sounds fun to have Heal 15 =P But in the end not enough skills worth it so I didn’t take it~

Not sure how good Heal 7 would do. If you mainly play with a pre-made party it could be enough since you’ll go PD.
If they’re not too dumb, they won’t dodge Mass Heal either.
I know that when I play with my friends, usually they’ll see/hear that I’ll throw Mass Heal (sound comes like 1/2 sec before it’s casted) so they’ll come back on their steps to get it. Or they’ll simply come towards me when their HP’s low.

#16

@Goldie, thanks again.

Diev feedback: I like it! Owl is awesome and Laima is amazing. The tree is nice, but is situational. So with diev I can give a solid support and good heal (heal10). And help with some dps.

I thought about rank8, druid2 can be nice with imunity and transform (maybe haste? xD).

I would like to try guardian saint, or understand better this skill. I know everybody thinks it’s bad. But I never seen any cleric3 in action.

Mobility is not cool, I have long cds, so I need to think the better time to use my statues.

It’s another way to heal/support. I don’t know when I get circle3 and everybody needs to run CCW around my statue to get imunity. Hehe

So, in my opinion, cleric+priest3 can heal all party, but it’s harder than with cleric2. But I’m not in 200+. So my opinion can change in the future.

For rank6, I’m not sure yet. Daino is only needed (our party combination) for our tank when uses all skills. We have a linker3 too. We need to verify these sharing buffs. But I’m not ok with take a rank only to get daino. I can buy this scroll or transform my other char in a mule to get this (hehe). Blessing changes will be better for spr builds. It’s not my case. Ressing is nice for ET (I read that we can’t use crystals there). Oracle like you said is better to PvP and I will play PvE. So… Cleric3? Cure + linker is very nice.

Druid is a good options to increase dps output. Maybe druid2 in rank8? I don’t have enough informations about shepherd.

Lot of doubts! Hahaha!