That was actualy a job back in Silkroad in it’s old days: the Hunter. It had the job of protecting trader caravans AND kill specific players that commited PK.
Good to see a fellow bounty hunter.
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Nope. It is lame imo… and I mean the idea itself that a castle siege could be replaced with an arena gvg…and it would be just cheap and easy from the developers… It’s just not the same to go through fields and stuff then go inside a castle and try to occupy it ( or try to defend it on cool strategic points ). An arena is just…an arena… A real castle siege like woe is totally different and I want something like that. It can be different from woe was but I still want a castle siege and not an arena fight. ( I’m not against arena gvg fights btw XD if both of them would exist ) The other thing is that those castle sieges give you a castle at the end that you can own…and that is fun imo…with arena fights you maybe get nice gears but thats not the same. So what I want to say is that whatever good they make an arena gvg a castle siege would be 10x better at the end.
The one who can’t see my point is you. If a game features open-world PvP, then killing other players is a part of the game by definition.
It’s not “offensive” or “impolite” to kill another player in that scenario precisely because killing other players is a part of the game by definition.
If I kill another player in a first-person shooter game like ARMA or Call of Duty, there’s nothing “offensive” about it, regardless of whether or not they intended to fight back, because killing other players is an implicit part of playing the game.
There is no difference between killing someone “for no reason” in a game with open-world PvP and killing someone in a FPS game like ARMA or Gears of War. It’s part of the game.
This isn’t even about the game having or not having open-world PvP anymore, it’s more about you fundamentally misunderstanding what constitutes “rude behavior” based on the context of the situation at hand.
Also, as far as what’s “proper”, there is no universal “proper place” to PvP (in MMOs, or any other kind of online game). The “proper place for PvP” is a design decision made by the developers of a given game - in ToS’ case, the “proper place” for PvP would be battle arenas and duels (if they exist).
However, having open-world PvP is not “the exception” to “the rule” of not having it. That’s pure bias.
In game that features open-world PvP, the answer is: yes, he absolutely does have the right to attack you for whatever reason he feels like.
That right was explicitly granted to him by the game developers of whatever game he’s playing when they consciously included open-world PvP in the game as a feature.
Once again:
If you are killed by another player while farming for materials in a field, this means you are playing a game that features open-world PvP.
If you are playing a game with open-world PvP, this means killing other players, FOR (OR WITHOUT) ANY REASON AT ALL, is part of the game.
In other words, you had negative experiences with the feature and are now biased against it, which is exactly what I’ve been getting at all along.
There’s nothing wrong with being biased against it. Your problem is you’re basing your reasoning on that bias.
Again, this is in the context of a game with open-world PvP. Again, in such a game, killing other players is perfectly permissible and part of the game. There’s nothing “rude” about another person killing you, because in such a scenario, they’re only playing the game.
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is that not rude? well that is offensive. and yes, again and again, u might call it part of the game[/quote]
The reason I keep saying it’s “part of the game” and bolding it is that you don’t seem to understand what the phrase means. The proof is in the rest of your sentence here:
The game developers did, when they implemented open-world PvP and made killing other players (and being killed by other players) part of the game.
Honestly, this whole thing here:
Sounds plain immature, like you’ve got some kind of “entitlement” issue.
He’s not the owner of the map, but neither are you, and in a game that has open-world PvP, he has as much of a right to kill you as you have to farm on the map. The fact is, you don’t have any more of a “right” to do anything at all in the game than any other player does.
That’s fine. At this point I’m more concerned with your misunderstanding of what constitutes “rude behavior” and what “rights” you and other players have based on the context of the game you’re playing.
Wow, people posting their opinions, others responding with their own, and talking about the same at length? It’s almost like… a discussion!
Wouldn’t it be cool if we had a specific section of the message board dedicated to fomenting and developing these kinds of discussions about general topics like that? Kind of like… oh, I know!
A GENERAL DISCUSSION board?
Oh, wait!
Berating me about my “overall attitude” and calling it “toxic” when you punctuate a response to someone with a sardonic, inflammatory remark like
is so hypocritical it’s laughable. I’ve never seen a more textbook case of the pot calling the kettle black.
“You’re overlooking the fact that not everyone is going to want to farm or fight bosses at all times. Or even that people may be partially forced into playing a PVE server to be with friends, while they themselves have no interest. And those friends won’t always be around for whatever farming or boss fights you had such great fun with. MMOs need players.”
Interesting… it’s almost like your point works both ways! Who would’ve thought? What was that you said earlier? Oh, yeah:
The irony is stunning. Almost as stunning as the fact that you manage to do this twice in a row, back to back:
“And having some entitled bratty attitude like "well if they don’t like it they can just leave! if they didn’t want to farm or kill bosses they shouldn’t have existed! is just sooo silly.”
Great job.
Does yours?
There was nothing inappropriate about the language I used. Policing people based on the content of their language when what they’re saying is perfectly understandable and linguistically proper is the type of “politically correct” censorship that belongs on Tumblr, not here.
When I write posts, the only things I “assume” are:
a.) The intended party understands, at the minimum, the fundamentals of the English language - syntax, grammar, etc
b.) The intended party is not significantly below the level of average intelligence
If both a and b are met, then absolutely nothing I write is so arcane, ambiguous and incomprehensible as to require my spoon-feeding you its intended meaning. At most, a non-native speaker might occasionally need a dictionary to look up the meaning of some word I use that they don’t understand.
Expecting people to specify that their thoughts and sentiments on a subjective matter like fun or enjoyment is “their opinion” is absurd.
When you’re a toddler, you show people you can count by using your fingers. You need this visual representation to correlate an abstract concept like a number to an object (finger), because you don’t fully understand numbers yet.
When you grow up, you show people you can count by simply reciting the numbers. You don’t need the visual representation anymore because the fact that the number “one” = 1 object (finger) is implicit.
“I think…” - if it’s not what I think, then whose thought is it?
“In my opinion…” - if it’s not my opinion, whose opinion is it?
Strawman argument.
There was no “false evidence”. THESE:
Are hypothetical situations used to illustrate my point.
“Oddly aggressive” is posting passive-aggressive “snide” remarks like this:
Which is just pathetic. I’d rather you insult me outright than pull this pseudo-intellectual “I’m better than you” act.
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Uh oh, this topic has derailed much 
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Let’s stop this argument here, guys. ToS probably won’t have open world PK judging from the cutesy theme and the design is leaning more at exploring (aka PvE).There’s gonna be a PvP tournament and possibly a GvG in the future, but the devs have shown no intention for open world PK so far (and personally I think it’s better not having it).
So there’s no point arguing here to the point of insulting each other
Is nice that you are passionate about your opinion, but try not to attack the people you are arguing with.
I do think that global PvP can be fun, but I don’t think that it should be an ON/OFF thing like it was on some RO servers… there must be some kind of balance so that it’s fun for everyone (not just for the griefers ;)).
Take Elite:Dangerous for example. That game was balanced from the start to consider PvP and Pirating a central aspect of the game, so you are rewarded for taking risks as a merchant and also for killing and bounty hunting.
Oh my, what is going on here…
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Well the forum has been pretty boring lately so…
realy? dude u the one who started this =V and now im the one who cant see ur point? lol XD… you’re too attached to open PK world which ToS is not. thats why i said i liked ToS that way. well, it is a feature of the PK world but does the PKer have the right to attack people who dosnt want to fight him? if thats the case… then the PKer is just a complete jerk =/. its like the real world, u can attack people, but can u shoot to kill? its the same with what im saying… =_="
yes, that is part of open PKing… BUT… the defendant didnt want to fight back… he simply want to farm items/mats… then the jerk wad persist on Pking… it is OFFENSIVE and IMPOLITE simply because the defendant didnt want a fight… @_@
thats the case in FPSing, its PVP oriented game(u kill each other in order to win). ToS is both PVE (hunting mobs, boss, farming mats, etc.) and PVP. now, in ToS, in my case i was farming right? in PK world, players can attack me(for no reason whatsoever) which is why i hate it (already said this many times). now in a non PK world, if someone disturbs why while i farm, both parties can share the map isntead, and no conflicts arises (well minor conflicts maybe. (=_="
their is. open world Pk like in ToS is not kill on sight… its ur decision to kill, not an obligation(do u shoot to kill?). in every FPS game… its either u kill or be killed, u are oblige to attack ur enemy in order for u or your team to win.
uh thats exactly why i said i hate open world PK because backstabing u by PKers is rude while your faming and dont want to engage in a fight, which is the PKer does in order to provoke his enemies, for that i hate PKing (and i dont want that in ToS) and it is inline with the topic of rude behavior (=_=". HE ATTACKED ME! HES RUDE TO ME! it is part of open PK games, hes been given the power to attack players, but does he have the right to attack me? knowing im not doing anything to him? no, he does not. if he attacked me, then hes just a complete ■■■■■■■ who only knows how to attack players weaker that him =/
thier is proper place to do PvP in official servers (unless they made all maps PK enable) and thats in PVP rooms/maps design by the devs(FPS games are all PVP maps, MMORPGs have thier PvP rooms/maps). in private servers, PK is allowed in maps other than the given PVP rooms/maps.
i understand that it is part of the games mechanics, but he has no right to attack me(i didnt want a fight, but he still persist on attacking me and i call it “killing/attacking for no reason”) . he has only the games authority to attack poeple, but randomly attacking people gaves him the title “■■■■■■■”, with rude personality, which is why i dont want it for ToS.
and once again: XD
if he kills me for farming mats, he has no reason for killing me at all, hes just a plain PKer (which is why i like ToS for not implementing non open world PK maps). and its just an example to show how PK world is crap compared to non PK world (gentelmans game).
and ur on PKing bias =V
yes its a negative expirience which is why I DONT WANT IT for ToS =3=).
in your expirience maybe its fun for u to kill anybody who dosnt want field fights. for me… no XD it is much more disturbing than bots.i dont have a problem, and im not biasing my reasons… its based on expiriences not fictitious/randomly generated words.
u dude have a problem with ToS bieng non open world PK. why dont u file a complain or suggest to IMC about your problem? maybe they can grant u ur wish to make ToS an open world PK game, who knows? =V
as i said, it is rude. u dont get it do u? true thats part of the game, but the act itself is rude. ive given the expmple:
“i dont have the intention of fighting back i just want to farm” then he attacked me. and no, i didnt give him the permison to kill me, he killed my chara by his own will, part of the game or not its still rude. what do you mean “There’s nothing “rude” about another person killing you”? it is rude because he attacked me for no reason. i understand if i were fighting againt him and killed me, but in my case, im farming mats, here comes the douche` bag and PKed me… yeah… , not rude right?, oh i get it. it makes perfect sense that if someone killed someone in real life hes just gonna smile and wave goodbye XD
i perfectly understand what ur saying, u dont seem to understand what ive been saying. lol XD to me that act is rude, to u its not. yes, they can kill anybody, but not everybody who dont want to fight. that is rude to me… and not rude to you =P
immature? realy? dude u dont understand the one who is attacking is the immature one. XD a matured person dosnt attack people(for no reason) whos doing somthing that dosnt provoke him. engaing in fights is immature, AKA not thinking. realy? he has the right? why? says the game? realy? thats the case in open PK that i hate the most the fact the u can attack anybody u want for no reason, which is why i like ToS for not having that sort of system. i dont have the right? well, he can have the map and shove it up to his ass XD
why are u concerend? @_@ your wierd XD…
their is no misunderstanding their… u just cant understand what im saying about the act of being rude . maybe its because of “attacking players that has nothing to do with them is perfectly fine as long as the game allows it " <- not rude eh? then its rude for me. not for u mabye (because of what u said “its part of the game” “the devs design it that way” " u have no right”“open world PK allows it”)
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strangely someone has been flagging all my reaction gifs yours might fall next victim
Im getting flagged pretty much non stop =P
“Tree of Flagging” O.o
Some sort of GvG would be nice.
I would personally just prefer an alternative PK server.
Also I agree with @Akizora in this discussion.
EDIT: Oh, and since we are discussing PK and Open World PvP, another idea would be to have optional high rewarding maps with PvP enabled.
It would be a really fun endgame to be honest.
Just like Ragnarok guild dungeons.
My post about PK have been flagged and I decided to delete the post instead.
The admin already discussed some things with me regarding this matter. They will inspect the flag reports more carefully from now and they will think about the solution to prevent flag system abuse. I also told them some names that might involved behind this abuse.
Btw if some people insist about PK, what about if there’s some special map where people can fight each other? There’s no need for every place to be an open PK.
i agree >_< atleast this way no-PK players and PK players alike can live peacefully together 
(just dont put quest in PK areas then its all good…)
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i just notice i can flag myself now!
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Get flag’d xD
This thread is getting pretty wild isn’t it?
The idea of an alternative PK server is agreeable, since PKs can PK and people who don’t want to be PK’d have an alternative.
I still find PK a douchebag move though.
To really feel like “PK” and not just simple “PvP” the map needs to have some sort of reward there; a reason for people to go there besides wanting to fight.
Otherwise it would just be like a PvP room and I honestly would prefer to just go to the arena for that kind of PvP.
An endgame map where there are strong monsters with really high EXP/drop or some unique boss and having to fight other people for the resources seems like an amazing idea to me and I don’t think is that intrussive to upset people who don’t like PvP.
Why not? I don’t see anything wrong with it if it’s not a quest that you MUST do to keep going. You can just ignore that one if you don’t like challenges that much.
XD
I like that! It’s kinda like “Get Rekt” But ToS forum style. >.<
If I had a signature here it would be “Get Flagd” 
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hmm well the PKers can monopolize the area (specialy if the quest reward is important or gives huge amount of exp XD) and its not a challenge, its more like a death trap (for weak players like me =V)
High risk, high reward. It would be the entire point of making a map like that with PvP enabled.
If you feel that you are not ready to grind there or finish the hypothetical quest, you can always just opt for the safer option or actually go with a group of people, the social aspect is relevant too, it’s an MMORPG, you know? You can always just get stronger players to help you out, or make friends along the way and try on these things.
It’s like you don’t have any sense of adventure (calling yourself weak? really?)
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