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PvP cata-lancer questions

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

Hi guys, I’m done, i will focus on the swordman pvp meta (cata-lancer), i will give it a try even if i dont know if i will enjoy the playstyle.
But, I have some questions about the build to follow:

  1. With lancer as rank 8, its worth to take dragoon in rank 7 like the meta before rank 8? Lancer opens possibilities like sw2/hoplite2/cata3/lancer1 but it needs to sacrifice swordman c3 to take a full uptime finestra.So what build will be the best?

  2. What stat distribution is the best?( remember the high damage in weapons and skills in rank 8)

  3. What type of end gear i must get (critical rate/hp/damage/…) and what gems I will need?

#2

For the filler lank, choose between dopple, corsair, and dragoon.

AFAIK, dragoon is most popular in iToS since we got higher ping than kToS, and dopple is most popular in kToS since they have lower ping. And apparently corsair is quite good for GvG.

For stat distribution, I would go with Dex:Con distribution.

#3

choose 1 of those, any other option is bad.
and for stats what he said dex and con are the best
don’t go doppel it’ll unmount you.

#4

What proportion of DEX:CON do you think i must take? Also with the block pen attribute from cataphract it seems bad to not invest any points in STR, stone skin is real.
Also, if i take dragoonC1 it will be useless if i take lancer at rank 8? What is better, going dragoon C2 or be dragoon C1 and lancer C1?

#5

go 1str 1con 1dex…

i have a sw pelt hop cata squire3 with 1str 1con 1dex, i can do decent dmg, decent hp (30k after swash) for tank, and dodge quit alot

go safe path 1str 1con 1dex if you dont want to study TOS for every maths/equipment/gems etc…

have you studied whats dragoon c2 and lancer c1 looks like?
no1 have the universal correct answer, you as the player, you decide yourself.

so far, current dragoon1 will go dragoon2…
most lancer are people who rolled another alt, sw3 cata3 dop/corsair lancer1

dragoon1 going lancer1 is okay as well…

#6

Well it seems that dragoon C2 is more noob pick than lancer due to the high ranged damage with dethrone and the bind effect(only 16 seconds and 2 overheats), also it give a great target modifier of 100% more damage with serpentine. Also I must add that with dethrone you don’t need to aim, just select the target.

But lancer seems more usefull against a great number of situations in PvP
( but, more buttons = more skill needed), also it is a new circle on rank 8, it will finish on rank 10 and i wont need to pick something random (maybe very incompatible with mounted classes)just to fill rank 10 like i will do with dragoon (dragoon c3 in rank 8).

Yes, just watching and reading the skills i like more lancer, it seems more usefull if you know what to do in each situation but the problem is that in rank 7 I must choose something to fill and:

1.With corsair I can just take profit from 5 points in hook (in pvp), and in my opinion this skill don’t fit in a high move speed class like cata or lancer.

  1. With doppel i will just take profit from 5 points in DoV, I wont have it 100% uptime, i need to stack the 5 charges and it will reduce my defense 50%.

  2. With dragoon i will take profit from all the 15 points, but that is just in rank 7 before i take lancer, after that i will have better damage skills on my rotation so all this rank will be useless.

After saying that, I also like dragoon and after all what i must like isn’t the class itself, its the final build I will have, that’s why i can’t decide, and they wont let me try the classes before my advancement.
If i have more errors in something that i can’t undo i wont have enough strenght to reroll again…

#7

thats why i making 2 more alts in preparation for rank8 myself.

good luck following random advices on the net.

and i dont even want any sort of reset…

but 99% of people nowadays scared as hell to leveling…

99% of people just play 1 main, lv280 daily login ET/Saalus/CrystalMine/Rush

sorry for off-topic, just my rant/vent…

but sw2 hop2 is rare for pvp… even rarer getting cata3 at rank7…
this causes you to be 1rank behind

since this is rare build, you might wanna decide for yourself.

Take Note, lancer skill is weapon-restrict to 2hand-Spear only.

#8

i think u may want to wait until info are more clear.

my own biggest question right now is how much block deploy/initiate increase blocking for 2h spear. This will effect how much con and how much block needed to be useful.

So really, who knows, I don’t think there is any wrong answer. They are all pro and con.

corsair make u support better, but what happen if u need that extra dmg?
dop make u finish key target better, but what happen if u get focused on or opponent too mobile?
dragoon let u play safe, but what if it doesn’t scale good enough in later ranks? (and lack utility)
pelt give shield block, but what happen when opponent ignore block?
hop give more crit rate and block, but what happen if opponent con is so high that u cant crit them? (and/or +20% block just not enough?)
what about squire’s arrest? more target, longer duration (1 sec), slow effect, no need to aim, in exchange for dismount and lack of other combat skills (along with corsair problems)?

pick ur poison. flip a coin, dice.

#9

Block Penetration: +50% + (Skill Lv x 5)% -> Lv5: 75%
That is what they said in the translation topic, It seems that will be really good in later lancer ranks, duration will increase and maybe we are going to have it 100% uptime.

With the filler class in rank 7 i think that i would take corsair, after all it brings a really good cc for some situations, or I will just take the full path of dragoon with a filler class later, dethrone’s bind and damage are really worth, also serpentine’s attribute (100% more damage target modifier) will solve well the issue of lacking in damage.

But anyway, stats seems to mutch difficult to see with the current information, also we haven’t stat reset potions in the shop. Right now stats are my biggest problem, and yes you are right its better for my to wait but now i have some time to play alone to be in the same level of one friend, so its a little bit frustrating.

#10

not what i am talking about.

deploy/initiate allow 2h spear to block enemy attack (not just penetrate). That’s the key mystery of lancer currently. It is completely undocumented aside a small youtube video.

another question is if this blocking is as effective as shield blocking against missile attacks.

#11

Yes you are right, it doesn’t say anything in the current translation that we have, it only says something aside the increased block pen, something like block reduction of the enemy but anything about blocking yourself O.o.

That will really change the balance of DEX points needed, we are going to need just the necesary DEX to have enough accuracy, also some lancer’s skills already have added critical chance.

#12

i just skeptical that % for lancer block is IMC idea of trolling…

see Highlander 2handsword Critical Dmg 50%, its flat 50Dmg as people discover…
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/the-highlander-2h-critical-attack-attribute-is-a-noob-trap?source_topic_id=328626

until we have a solid answer Lancer block penetration is a scaling% instead of flat numbers…

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#14

hrmm… i guess im just found another reason to roll another alt for testing

#15

Crit attack is not that great, since it’s a flat addition to the end of the formula.