Hi Saviors im new to the game and i know for a fact i want to play the Dragoon class. im just wondering if its worth going Sw3 or Hop3.
The other options i was considering were:
Sw2>Hop3>Dop1>Goon2
Sw3>Hop2>Dop1>Goon2
Im not sure which circle is a must have when comparing Sw3 or Hop3. Or if i should even get Dop1 at all. I hear you can get some damage from Dop but im new so i have no idea how beneficial this may be for me.
so should i Sw3>Hop3>Goon2??
Thanks 
sw>pelt>hop3>dop>goon2 for PvE
To do more efficiently, pick a path, DPS or Tank.
You don’t need to take a circle in Pelt to be able to lure mob on your DPS, some quests trigger aggro so you can drag mobs to you.
If you want a Tank, Pelt C2 at least, you can take Hop C3 and go goon C2 or goon C1 and Murmillo on both cases.
ive already decided im not going pelt just for the taunt. ive been reading around and i honesly dont want to go that route just for that.
i think im gonna end up going
sw2>hop3>dop>goon2
even if iwanted to go your route i already took sw2 
I have a sw3 hop3 goon2 and i love it. Infinite pain barrier and spear throw under restrain is amazing. Boss damage is good enough. I would wait to see how it performs under new changes though.
Well, “just” taunt is better than nothing (i.e. sw2). It’s the next best thing to cryo and linker. Also, SW3 is for PvP and extended pain barrier. But then you’d either be missing out on dop or hop3 which gives you your best aoe skills (spear throw and cyclone).
awesome! so lets say i do commit to this route. my only real problem would be my stat distribution no? because othe how theyre changing dex and such. its not possible to change my stats later tho no? like a stat reset?
Not sure if you took the DEX route already, you will be able to reset when the new changes come tho.
As for stats, 100 CON for survival, 50 DEX for accuracy, crit rate you can get from gear + gems and the rest in STR.
Finestra will give you some decent AoE Att ratio, so you don’t need to worry much about gear on that area, but then again, more AoEAR is never too much.
Pain Barrier will save you in boss fights, many of them have one or 2 skills that knock down/back, also useful for PvP, but with the stats I said above it’s not recommended.
iim just fked now cause i cant go back i would prob do it as youre saying
Why? What level/rank are you currently? And what classes have you taken? Sw3-hop works with fencer better if you’re considering that.
It’s a build that tries to be a jack of all trades. It’s fun nonetheless, and you’re not restricted to either just PVP or PVE (even farming or doing ET).
The build caught my eye when I was doing Saalus in a queue party with 3 dragoons, one of them having that build. The other two, being PVE metagoons, just kept getting thrown around with knockdowns while he just keeps dishing out his skill rotation making him #1 after the boss died.
Goon builds with Hop3 and Dop1 will always be the best DPS-wise as long as you know your way around dodging knockdowns and timing your skill rotations right.
Having Pel1 is primarily more of a convenience thing due to SB. It benefits shield use as well, having great synergy w/ the block boost from Hop’s Finestra.
Mine is full dex… Like may be 50 con invested. Rest into dex with yellow gems everywhere, except boots (blue)
Anyone tried an Hoplite the Ktest server/KTos live so far?
I’m still trying to determine if synchro thrusting have been changed to only 1 hit or is still 1 pierce + 1 strike hit (same value for both).
Also want to know if the % block on finestra became a 250 flat value or 250% (one is a big nerf for me, 250 flat is less than my actual +30% and the other is an insane upgrade)
pelt > anything in hop3 build
pelt is too good to skip
pros of pelt
guardian give you huge def (and evasion)
shield guard
25% more block than non pelt
as hoplite you will most likely stick with geras spear (which 1h spear)
you will get full benefit from pelt as fencer do
sw2…
more 5lv of pain barrier… yes this is bery good but just an extra 5s seem waste of 1 circle
while sw3 have best pain barrier which good for every swordy
more lv of concentrate and gung ho is meh
restrain, a good buff even in pve
but u cant rely on it so much bcoz it isn’t 100% uptime
hop doesn’t need restrain…
since hop just do fast burst to kill thing
i heard u dont get much out of hop3. and i want to take pel1. but since i took sw2 i can go either
sw2 pel1 hop3 drag2
or
sw2 hop3 dop1 drag2
or
sw2 pel1 hop2 dop1 drag2
those are the two im thinking of choosing from. what do guys think??
Hop 3 gives you spear throw which is currently one of the best aoe skill for swordies.
I’m guessing you’re still at rank 2 since you’re stuck with sw2. It’s not too late to reroll.
Besides Spear Throw (which I can vouch for being a really good AOE DPS skill even by endgame), what makes going Hop3 worth it are also these:
okay so now im pretty much deciding whether to get dop1 or pel1.
sw2 pel1 hop3 drag2
or
sw2 hop3 dop 1 drag2
i hear the first circle of do can really give u some dmg. but as a new player i dont really know if its gonna be that useful?? will i be using those skills later on?
Might as well get dop instaed of pelt. Altho sw-pelt-hop3-dop-drag2 is one of the builds that easily fits well with each other.