Try something like this:
Im really not a fan of dragoon, it doesnt look good to me at all. What I lack as of rank 5 is strong aoe damage isnt it? And what stronger aoe damage will I find then deeds with lvl 10 cyclone with finestra on? I dont think dragoon can compete with that honestly 
I know youre against deeds at 10 I saw your discussion in another thread 
at least until c3 doppel. I think its worth a try honestly and since not many people will go with this build, Iāll give it a try ^^
Soo I have to have some con in the build then, maybe even more then some to be able to tank the mobs while getting deeds stacks. Thanks for your help in all those previous threads aswell my friend, I just have to figure out which skills are worth it until rank 5 
Question about Double Pay Earn tho, can you cast it once mob is on 5% hp?
ok thanks i will try it.
I honestly think you underestimate Dragoon greatly, What he lacks in AoE he fully does in single-target hit, all skills except Gae being multihits, which scale absolutely wonderful.
Apart from this, IT IS a Spear class, greatly contributing to your Hoplite and giving access to 2H Spears. It is the_best synergy with Hoplite and Cataphract, being their final evolution (for now).
Judging from my experience in KtoS, itās not worth it. It makes you a piece of paper. Those stacks will never almost never fully stack. And if you get hit by mobs in high level 10 timesā¦ you are practically dead.
If you go Doppel 2hander - 4:1:2 or 4:2:2. For Hoplites - 4:2:1.
Yes, you can. There is also a hidden thingā¦ if you cast it and let your entire team, except you, kill the mobs, no matter their HP, you still get all the reward from it. It was tested on KTos and confirmed working, at least a few months ago. For all 10 seconds.
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Noob/New Player Question here, but how come you have some skills with 1/5 , 4/5, 9/10, and 14/15 ? Wouldnt it be better to grab 5/5, 10/10, or 15/15?
I realize its going to be a piece of paper, my current idea to counteract this is a lot of HP so I can survive. Im thinking somewhere around 50k hp should be fine already. Also as I said, I do have a healer ( well, c2 until rank 7 ) and later on PDs heal for high level mobs so we should be fine honestly.
Its a risky build that doesnt utilize the strengths of either builds but I want to be able to do both jobs well and if I can survive long enough to have 10 stacks my hoplite skills will be a single target killer too, I doubt dragoons skills even considering theyre on different cooldowns will do more at that point. Its fine, I dont mind testing and being in the wrong so dont think youre guilty in ruining hundreds of mam hour of levelling, its my choice thank you very much for your help though!!!
I suppose, if you have a Healer in your group, then you can somehow manage, good luck.
Ah, you are very welcome.
Not every skill needs to be maxed, you need to think of your build carefully, some skills are one point wonders, some can provide enough stats at level 3-5 and so on. It all depends on a build and your playstyle.
One more thing, are you saying without dragoon I cant use 2h spears at all?
My idea is to get dragoon later on, unless theres a better choice on the table. But if I cant use 2h spears otherwise I will pbly be forced to go doppel -dragoon - doppel 2 - doppel 3.
The reason I want doppel 2 before dragoon is because the aoe damage from krivis and sadhu will fall off a lot by the time I get there and so in our party of 2 I will have to provide a lot of it at that point. Well, if you can use pandemia after incineration to spread the fire it wont be that bad but otherwise, it will be very needed.
We can try going krivis 3 druid 2 and then pd on rank 8 later on which balances out the aoe dmg I guess but then weāll he left with a subpar heal until rank 8. Both options are definitely viable though.
You can, but you must take Cataphract for this. At this point you must choose - itās either Hoplite or Cataphract.
If you go 2H Swords, you shouldnāt think of taking Hoplite or Dragoon at all, only if you are not going for some specific build. For Doppel build itās much better to take Highlander, then go DoppelC3.
There are also much better builds for PD, if only your lady specifically wants Sadhu.
I dont mind going more into damage and she more into support, the first idea was that I would be c3 linker but with hangmans knot nerf that is just not possible anymore.
I would like both of us to contribute though, not much fun otherwise.
The reason I want hoplite is specifically for sinestra, its quite OP and with deeds later on, even if I dont continue doppel I can jump into dragoon or a new class and deal tons of damage cause the buffs allow it. I however want to be able to deal with large numbers of mobs and bosses and would enjoy pvp too. I like 1h spears cause of the additional range which throws people off in pvp a lot.
You mean to say krivis into bokor, right? Yeah thats also a possibility even more since with taunt hex will hit all/most mobs so effigy spam would do a lot, while incinerate benefits from yet another debuff. Sadhu isnt a must, its just something we decided on because imo PD is going to be needed at rank 7 to do dungeons together/maps at high levels. Otherwise I will just be slaughtered without that heal while having paper defence.
If you have other ideas for us Iām all ears, I gave it much thought and I do see some variances but Iām always eager to earn more so shoot ^^
Okay then, why donāt you go the original path we discussed earlier? Like:
Sword - Pelta - Hoplite3 - Doppel - Dragoon.
Itās a very good build.
Try something like this:
Cleric2 - Krivis - Diev3 - Plague
Isnt diev super bugged? What does it bring to the table? Also, zaibas only on 5 will make it really troublesome to kill stacks of mobs 
I need her to do aoe damage at least until I get that c1 doppel. I will be able to taunt and tank the mobs no matter the build but at the end of the day the mobs need to die too.
I am also interested in Dragoon since ppl have told me its a class that is not so much affected by Ping (since I am a SEA Player).
How does the Sword - Pelta - Hoplite3 - Doppel - Dragoon. stack up to the other non spear PVE Swordsman Builds? What does it specialize in? Based on this thread the Dragoon build you have seems to be more of a great Single Target Dpser with weak AOE dps. Able to Tank a bit, but is not excessively great at it more like a if you really need to tank. Would that assessment be correct? Stat Build should be 4str 2dex 1 con ?
And I can possibly Swap Hoplite for Cata if I want to be more of a hybrid PVP PVE? (which I dont really want to do but its an option in the future)
So many questions. You people wonāt leave me alone today, will you?
He isnāt. It was long ago, during CBT. It brings Statues, which are absolutely awesome in support. It also has Carve for damage.
You donāt need Zaibas at more level than 5. You take Krivis for Daino, which increases the number of buffs, which she will have a ton.
You actually donāt. You can grind mobs yourself with Swash, while she supports you.
Itās correct. Itās an off-tank, a boss-killer, which, neverthelsess, doesnāt hurt much from lack of AoE. Once it gets Cyclone, every problem is solved. And Dragoonās skills are superb.
Hoplite doesnāt need that much DEX, go with 4:2:1.
You can. Go like Sword - Pelta 2 - Cata3 - Dragoon for PvE, or Sword3 - Cata3 - Dragoon for PvP. Generally, Catas are good in PvP in any combination, just some previous classes benefit them more in different situations.
Ok Thx so
Sword - Pelta - Hoplite3 - Doppel - Dragoon (Pure DPS PVE)
Sword - Pelta 2 - Cata3 - Dragoon (Hybrid PVE and PVP)
Sword3 - Cata3 - Dragoon (Pure PVP)
My ACTUAL build for OBT isā¦
Sword - Highlander3 - Hoplite2 - Dragoon.
This is is actually a pure DPS Dragoon build, utilizing 2H Swords and Spears, relying on heavy damage. The only thing it lacks is AoE, but Iāll be playing in a party anyway.
I see, so you are sacrificing your ability to offtank (Pelta ?) and your AOE (Cyclone from Doppel) for pure Single Target Damage with Highlander 3
I will probably go with the
Sword - Pelta - Hoplite3 - Doppel - Dragoon
Since I will mostly be playing alone or with random dudes anyway and i think I might need the versatility. Dont plan to pvp either
I can still defend myself with Cross Guard.
Yeah, Cyclone will be sacrificed. But this build still has a lot of good synergy, allowing me for incredible DPS. Itās also multihit based, so lots of good scaling skills.