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Pure DPS? Doppelsoldner!

Thanks! I thought it did though weird >.<

Something like this? https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#111162999.23374f5f85.4595b5.253545.1f41516a7a8691a1


Or given what you said, should i just dump more into Zucken and leave Redel at 6?

Looks fine, maybe 10 zucken than 10 redel. crown has 13 s duration so it will most times do more damage

And about gung ho vs concentrate - i’m still not sure about that, needs testing.

Also that 5 points can go ingo double pay - for mining / farming

Finally someone doing something new!

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you don’t need barb3 to have nearly full cleave uptime on all your important skills

I’m running hl3 and I can cast the entire Doppel and and HL3 rotations under cleave except Cyclone which isn’t very important anymore anyway. Having armor break for every other Zornhau is more than worth it and skyliner is great filler damage, the cooldowns are just the right length that you can fit it all in without clipping anything before all your main damage skills (debuffs + zornhau) come up again

knockbacks, knockbacks everywhere!

the knockbacks suck but I can manage usually. Well timed guards and pain barriers usually assist with that, the worst you have to give up is Mordschlag or maybe a skyliner or two in your rotation, it’s nothing too devastating. Once you get a semi-decent rotation down the skill usage really isn’t as crazy as people make it out to be, I have around 3 or 4 seconds of downtime in my current full rotation (assuming I don’t get interrupted) before I start a new cycle.

I played around with going Sword3 for a time just for the perma pain barrier but it’s just not worth it in PvE, the damage loss is way too much and Double Slash… totally didn’t make up for it like I was hoping.

Usually i did bp -cleave - zwechhau - warcry - zornhau - zucken - redel - sesimx2- stutyzhau - cyclone and then cleave and xwerchau goes down, and so does pb. and you run around avoiding bos hits.

And on monster with micro knockbacks that’s just awful. no pb = miserable death. cross guard is not saving at all.

This is the tentative rotation I’m using

Zwerchau -> Cleave -> Skull Swing -> Zornhau -> Zucken -> Redel
Cross Cut -> Cleave -> Sturtzhau x2 -> Skyliner x5
Crown -> Cleave -> Vertical x2 -> Moulinet -> Mordschlag -> Zornhau -> Mordschlag -> Cross Cut (PB wears off around here or so) -> Zucken
Cyclone x2 (no cleave)

Rebuff DoV+PB, new rotation start

As you can see, I can basically fit the whole thing under PB so it’s really not an issue. You can imagine my Cyclones often get interrupted, but I don’t really care if they do or don’t anymore since it’s just filler while I wait for the cooldowns to line up again.