Alright, just be sure you won’t have regrets later when you see hop variants doing more. anyway I put my suggested skill spread on barb on my prev post.
and since you’re taking barb anyway 5/5 concen and 2/5 pain barrier is better
difference of 5/5 and 2/5 pain barrier is only 3 seconds, nothing too significant. But it’s something you will want more if you are sword 2/3
Barb damage isn’t consistent as hoplite, once your warcry is out you don’t expect to dish out as much, and stabbing is very effective for bossing as long as you know where to position+pain barrier.
also your screenshot doesn’t actually show anything about it.
I know barb very well, you can dish out 15k or more out of cleave combos, but what AFTER that? and what happens when your warcry is over? your dps drops and dov is left.
it doesn’t end there, you also lose out on aoe attack ratio bonus on finestra.
that’s true but,
Frenzy stack nicely and faster with deeds of valor
warcry and frenzy uptime is both enough to clean a full wave.
and untill you get to next wave you’ll have the skills again.
my screenshot show you that i have experience with my character…
in these levels of 250+… the stuns from barb help you live and damage way more then hoplite does.
i don’t care about what you lose from not taking hoplite since it help you with nothing but doing little bit more crit, and better at bossing…
the game as it is now = grinding + bossing…
my build is better at grinding, while hoplite would be better at bossing.
there no need to argue here. it’s CLEAR that deed of valor will multiply my buffs
and your deed of valor won’t multiply your FINESTRA, or aoe ratio which is less important in my eye…
i’m not trying to prove any point, or boast about damage.
i’m saying there is nothing wrong with going this path, and actually it synergy very well.
Stun entire wave > Charge Dragoontooth > profit. (small example)
and if you wonder, I also have pelt1>hop3>doppel which at level around 200 now… so i can clearly tell apart the difference…
if you wonder why i have it, I actually thought i made mistake at first. and rerolled to hoplite… soon to find it’s defensive based class and won’t do near as good as damage as my barb.
Yes, that is the main difference, hoplite is more on damage consistency and barb is more on bursts. Which I’ve explained anyway. I use warcry a lot, and I know it sucks to have it on cooldown, again, not as consistent as hoplite, it’s more of a burst PATK.
Barbs will definitely be able to compete with damage uptime consistency if you do get ktos buffs.
IMO the burst to take down waves really pay off.
atm cyclone deal around the 100-120k damage (which is enough to take wave of elite monsters)
(although heavy invested attribute cost me ton.)
This is cyclone you are taking about, 100k-120k is pretty normal for it…It is the main reason why C1 Doppel builds are very popular, even some shinobis have it.
You would probably end up having something better on Doppel C2 with 9 or 10 DOV and 10/10 Cyclone, than dragoon. You seem to have picked dragoon because you like it(not a bad reason). Damage wise on that build though, I’d definitely go with Doppel C2. Dragoon is more of a pierce advantage if you need it.
yea, the sad thing about all this… that shinobi do much better if we’re looking for bossing compare to hoplite
so barbarian is better at mobbing then hoplite, leave hoplite just an “ok” pick if you like it.
I taken dragoon so i can use spears, the costume, and multihit skills.
sure on paper with DoV9-10 and 10 cyclone you will do LOT of damage.
now in reality you spin for 2sec and you already dead lol.
even now with my cyclone it’s almost 90% of time not worth to use if you dont have healer.
which take me back to why i better pick dragoon to have more skill rotation, and i feel it help me more.
chaining skills + stuns = i unleash load of damage when taking non back.
chaining knockdown + stuns i can do 100% uptime of CC.
which take you back to my hoplite that can’t stun and have to stand and eat dmg to face… it’s almost sad… i really do like hoplite but wtf ?
This is going out of page now and is more on experiences. Yes I told you before I am barb and know it very well, I’ve played barb everytime on rank 3 different with other class variants, stun knockdowns etc are great for -soloing- in parties it becomes less effective when you got enough cc in.
In the end the game promotes party playing because of missing content and high hp mobs in good quantities, you can get the feel of the game telling you to starting alemeth, having a consistent damage uptime is better if you are with a group. Which is why I said that barb would definitely shine more with ktos cooldown reduction buff.
And I suggested hoplite because I read the OP saying he wants to melt bosses, Hoplite is an expert at that.
(also he already finds hoplite boring, so he’ll end up getting barb anyway)
All youre showing is that youre a barb - doppel - dragoon. Show me some numbers. Im a barb 3 - doppel - shinobi and frankly speaking I simply do not buy it that you can do more then if you had a hop in there instead.
are you really that ignorant or playing dumb at me ?
i have both at lv200+
it is CLEAR as the BRIGHT SUN that barb will do MORE.
the fact you say he won’t prove how ignorant in first place you are.
i’ll repeat again just incase
barbarian get ATK bonus buffs WHICH MULTIPLY UP.
Hoplite have FINESTRA - NOT MULTIPLY UP.
if you take now hoplite and cyclone
and then then barbarian and cyclone
the barbarian will do more damage. that’s it.
it’s not the first time i see your name asking for "show me numbers"
how about you show me numbers instead ?
and better you read the previous posts before you talk. and it’s offtopic and not my post. all suggestions were directed to OP. not YOU.
and in addition if you think that hoplite do more consistant damage ?
no… they just do same damage barbarian do unbuffed, with little bit more crit.
Comic relief: I feel like I’m witnessing a “sword” contest.
Ba dum tiss… Slinks away before she gets stabbed.
This is good, we get to know more in-depth of each classes! please continue!
this is actually not true. Something probably derped in your hoplite build. 150 crit is not little, even at level 280 reaching 400 crit is high, this is for the current cap mind you. This alone allows you to put more str in which makes you deal more damage to barbs than just outright relying on warcry, which you cannot also use every time it is ready.
and don’t forget spear lunge, it boosts your pierce skills on dragoon as well.
why dont u guys set a duel ingame! barb vs hoplite!!
when you realize that would turn into a blocking and mind guessing game lmao
You’re dumb aren’t you?
The reason I said it should be simple but since you’re a bit slow I’ll explain. Piercing does more damage to leather mobs, slashing to cloth. I asked for you to show me actual proof you do more damage with a barb 3 into dragoon then with a hoplite into dragoon. You turn a discussion into a shitfest cause you can’t take confrontation. Bravo.
Now on topic, we already know you’re a dumbo so I’ll make this simple. Over a time period, for example while killing a boss or high hp mobs which class will kill it faster? If we get the slash bonus from cleave you might have a point, but for now hoplite wins in damage. Its plain simple.
Barbs have 3 damage skills + pounce which is in a category of its own. Hoplite has stabbing that by itself outdamages seism and helm chopper, thats even without counting in spear lunge. Show me some numbers otherwise go suck a huge donger with your attitude.
yea go do 1+1.
i bet you’re just low level with no idea about the game.
you make it sound so easy saying “this and that” but no real experience.
on paper everything sound nice and strong like DoV and Cyclone .
in reality you die in second and cant even last the full duration
with hoplite goodluck hitting multiple targets without a linker … do me favor you have no idea what you’re talking about.
with my attitude ? ha ha… maybe you don’t know to read aswell.
no worth the words, ignoring. have fun with your hoplite no one care. if you don’t have anything helpfull to say get lost.
Im 228 level with 23k hp with provoke off, you might have some really bad stat distribution there if you die all the time, I hardly die at all.
Barb three whilst applying more DPS potential to you, is wasted in terms of utility i feel like Barb 3 is an all round bad decision , for finding the right balance between PvP and PvE
Corsair 2+ Rapier combo from fencer one is actually pretty powerful, what fencer lacks in Hard hitting DPS it makes up for speed modifiers which is somewhere between the 1.5-1.6 range, i could see her builds autoattacks = more much in terms of what your build can output in damage especially if she gets a venom+ venom procs she’s potentially adding 6000 damage, perma debuff from the speed of her auto attacks + corsair attack chain combo
Telling him to take Shinobi is bad advice, since the amount of damage shinobi does is usually based on Kunai + Swordie 3 + and clones
The rest of the nukes are kind of meh
Tl;DR usually i am all about the min max, but i don’t see barb 3 as very strong in terms of raw power, and lockdown sure maybe if he wanted to play a straight PvE build, maybe? but otherwise its just a bad idea
