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"please remove bots" vs "we want trade"

You obviously didn’t read/understand their post. They clearly explained how the 48 hour limitation on retrieving silver gives them time to narrow down and prevent RMT through the auction house.

Do you even know how bots work? Or how hard it is to write a program that can accurately distinguish between a player and a bot? Or how much backlash there will be once people start getting falsely banned? Simply saying a buzzword like this is not a suggestion and solves nothing.

No.
Bots can buy items from their infinite-farmed silver and sell the items for RMT.
The only losing person (with the 48h delay) is the real player who farmed and put up the item for sale in auction house.

Yes, I do know how bots work. And I can suggest a few smart-ways of catching bots such as a anti-bot system that detects organic behavior. Maybe this read can give you some ideas of how to implement a very good anti-bot system in game:

Note: No, I’m not saying “add a captcha in game”. I’m saying we can use this captcha ideas to detect bots in-game.

like I said in the original post if you even bothered reading, the bots hold a very small percentage and the vast majority are real players. This is highly acceptable.

Bots are a minority for now, but when game goes F2P they will completely flood and overwhelm the servers.

RMT sellers are even paying founder’s access packs for bot accounts with a risk of them getting banned. Imagine if they didn’t need to pay anything at all?

how does it hurt the player base? Like I said, I don’t feel I got punished in anyway… any transaction is made on the market.

Can I live with 10% tax like any other mmo? sure
Can I live with 48 hr delay? absolutely
Can I live with having a maximum of 5 items to list? yeah I barely got anything to sell anyway…

It does hurt bots significantly because it cripples their roots fundamentally.
It hurts bot a whole more than it hurts us. You just think it hurts you by a lot when you are taken away something. Like I lose 100 bucks today I think it’s the end of the world… 2 weeks later I forget all about it because 100 bucks is nothing compared to how much I make. It’s just psychology…

I just don’t understand why people try to use the “It’s like paying 15 dollars for a sub to any other game” No. You have to pay 18 per token PER CHARACTER here.

per account. it’s shared.

Is it really? I’ve been seeing so many posts about how it’s per character. Guess not.

I don’t know if you have noticed but the % of bots has been increasing daily.

It doesn’t cripple bots as much as you’d expect.
If RMT couldn’t sell anything at all they wouldn’t even be advertising.

They still have their business running and flooding our chats.

It hurts the player base, and that’s obvious, just take a look at how many topics like this we have from players complaining about lack of trade in-game. Maybe it doesn’t bother you, but it bothers others.

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exactly… if you think this is badly enough, what makes you think lifting the restrictions won’t make it even worse? it’ll be like flood breaking through already-damaged dam, that’s barely strong enough to hold it off.

I’ve never stated to remove the current system and do nothing about it.

I said let’s remove the in-game restrictions for trade and auction house and let’s add a smart anti-bot instead.

Oh god, there has not been one MMO where they restricted trading like this.
Ah right, that’s probably why most MMOs fail on the long run.
They should have restricted trading to save their games …

People are so stupid it’s beyond me :smiley:

Most fail due to market saturation actually. As in to many mmos to choose from.

oh it does greatly… because I’ve only seen a few bots.

you have no idea what chinese people are capable of since you are not Chinese like me. We open restaurants till 5am even when there’s no customer. We work extremely hard for marginal gains. Just because they are advertising really hard in the cities, doesn’t mean they are getting a whole lot of business. I bet they are having trouble making profits given the current scenario, but they won’t stop working hard… it’s just their culture.

Then your not in the right areas. They mass in the prime spawn areas.

I agree with your OP, but the 1 item trade limit for F2P seems a little low for me too. I think my 5 is too low and i couldnt imagine with 1. That, combined with 30% tax makes it difficult for F2P to even get the 500k for a token. Considering theres other things they need to spend silver on. Attributes, gear, upgrading gear.

Of course when youre a higher level its easier though.

please enlighten me what that smart anti-bot method would be? Because clearly IMC did not think as thoroughly as you did…

Whew, here we go again:

yeah, captcha is such a great idea I’m sure IMC hasn’t thought about it