The fact that the poll is as close as it is is indicative that more people hate archer classes than I have previously realized.
There is a big difference between “I don’t know how to deal with archers or cloaked targets in PVP” and “archers should have to figure out a way to overcome doing 1 damage to an entire enemy team for the entire duration a sage is alive ± 1 minute.”
Also, most people who keep saying “Missile Hole is perfect this way” are Sage themselves or never play as archers.
You can know it by what they say: “You’re SR, remove missile hole super fast.”; “You like one-shot”.
Both one-shotting or doing no damage at all are unbalanced. Missile Hole needs to be nerfed to something between those both extreme sides, thus, needs rebalancing and is broken at the moment.
People should have made previous polls before sage was released about: cannoneer is one shooting everyone from cloaking - there isn’t any way to escape from a fletcher’s touch of death - where hunter places it’s eye the pet makes sure to make a kill and so on.
3 months after sage is released and there are plenty of threads about it, like 6 months of archers superiority and nobody bat an eyelid.
As said tho, saying entire classes is incorrect since some of it’s classes are still pretty useful.
I won’t dig much since making a poll in forums won’t cause any effect in anything and the only thing that will happen is that everybody commenting here will lose their time for a lost crusade (for someone).
Now I’m thinking “Please nerf ausirine and revenge x7 fold, 2 skills should not make all class useless” only clerics counter cleric.
Missile hole in pvp should not be counteted by increasing multishot by 32 hits, it’s not like you can spam it x5 to hit 5 oppenents and you’re like a sitting duck while using multishot.
Though the idea is a good buff for archers pve wise.
if poll is effective
50k people already vote to close down TOS for revamp bottoms up instead of current bandaiding
oh well~
yes, missile hole need some changes~
You really like ignoring this part in every MH thread you post in:
As literally any class, you can overcome being oneshot by not being an idiot and it’s very easy to remove cloaking from an enemy.
You cannot overcome missile hole unless you sank your entire class into hunter.
edit: Next you’ll tell me that IMC should cater PVP to builds that went full str or full dex and are running around with 7k HP at 330.
Sigh… Do I have to say that Hunters can hold any sage or ANY class as long as they want? And even if their pet is dead it keeps using the skills? And that at circle 2 the skill delay is shorter than it’s duration? And that he got 4 charges?
Well, if you think sage is a problem. You know nothing.
*If you want to pvp as archer you better be very rich to use blessed gems up to stage 8 in your boot and glove. Equip two yellow gem lvl 8 in the glove and two lvl 8 green in the boot.
Build full con. Get 8 nuaele lvl 10. Get 3 hats with attack damage. Build a functional character. Have fun in the arena.
@neith720:
Cannoneer one-shotting people = separate problem. New defense formulas. Dragoons and Catas one shot everyone. Malleus one shot everyone.
Fletcher = cleric, any status immunity. Not related to Missile Hole.
Hunter = Melee/CC. Not related to Missile Hole.
Some classes you say, only status effects and melee, you say. They’re not affected by Missile Hole, which is unbalanced to Missile Attacks whch entire archer tree is based on.
@Csiko already said the simple thing you should know and keep ignoring.
Ausrine = Miko can remove.
Revenge = Can hit without weapon, teammate can hit.
Not as broken as Missile Hole.
Sigh, do I have to say that it isn’t 1v1?
Sigh, do I have to say that Missile Hole duration is 1 minute and 40 seconds (that’s without Divine Might)?
Sigh, do I have to say that Missile Hole is unbalanced on Missile Attacks while Hunter skills are melee?
Sigh, do I have to say that Missile Hole skill cooldown is shorter than it’s duration? And that he got 16 charges?
Well, if you think sage is not a problem, you know nothing.
[quote=“Csiko, post:66, topic:348549”]
you can overcome being oneshot by not being an idiot and it’s very easy to remove cloaking from an enemy.[/quote]
Broadhead is a point and click skill which one shots, arrow hit may deal 1 damage but not it’s bleeding, which actually one shots, same with every other status effect, including something as simple as stone shot, which stuns for 10 secs.
But yea, you cannot overcome missile hole in any way, nerf MH, nerf agny, nerf the whole wizard class, crying rivers and so on lol
You know you can use archers as well right? wizards tend to use skills instead of auto attacking, that may help you.
I will ask IMC why they implemented skills on archers 
Oh man, it’s like you only have permission to PVP on an entire class branch if you go hunter 3 and max coursing.
When the only non-merchant rank 8 for an entire branch, which book-ends pretty much every possible combination of an entire other branch can just shut the entire archer branch down.
Thinking these are even close to balanced is mind-boggling. I don’t know how anyone can reach the conclusion that these are similar.
Dude that was sarcasm. lol
[quote=“neith720, post:69, topic:348549, full:true”]
This is not even an apples and oranges comparison. It’s like apples and rocks.
Agny has nothing to do with missile hole.
come on I posted just before your comment, it’s already edited.
Your point is to nerf the whole wizard class, warlock dark theurge damage is massive, PoA is too much, pyros makes a huge damage, subzero shield hasn’t counterplay and I won’t keep listing every skill.
Precisely because I’m not and that’s why you shouldn’t exclude status ailments from archers such as bleeding.
wat
I said no such thing, and nothing I said even has that logical extreme. We’re asking missile hole to be rebalanced so that our class can do so much as even PVP again.
You’re against it because you like free wins I guess. I just want to be able to PVP without being dead weight on my team because I’ll do 1 damage 100% of the time.
Enjoying the discussions so far. Tree of Forums is best Tree game. 
I know, I edited mine too.
Your still:
Two words: Status immunity.
Ability to overcome =/= Missile Hole unbalanced. Archer’s shouldn’t have to go Hunter 3 or have status effects quick fix to be only a little useful, and that’s when the enemy team have no cleric for status immunity.
I’m not excluding status ailments. You’re the one excluding all other physical missile attack skills to use status ailments as quick fix for Missile Hole while Archer’s main skill properties are Missile Attacks, which gets blocked by Missile Hole.
Unless you think Missile Hole only works for Auto Attacks, and thinking on that, could be one way to adjust the skill, would be awesome.
You guys need to think. It’s easy.
Hunter is going to hold the sage or w/e for ever. Break the missile hole with your basic attacks. And now you are free to kill him.
Yes. It’s not 1v1 nor 2v2
It’s 2v2 or 5v5.
Get itens. Do your job and stop crying.
Everybody is complaining about every single rank of wizard but sorcerer, nobody says anything about sorcer I think.
Still everybody have 3k mdef in pvp lol.
I don’t even play ToS, forget PvP. Still being a sage I was killed plenty of times by lot of people, AFAIK every sage has been killed plenty of times, and tbh, tops are for clerics not sages, you should consider what a free win is lol
T4 crossbow, T7 gun. Hits 1. I bet I do my job better than you, do you play any Archer class? How are your skills levels? TBL rank?
Oh, no archer character? Go play one then come back to talk.
Like I said on posts before, if the Sage plays bad or the entire enemy team composition is bad, an Archer can deal with the sage just because the enemy team cannot do nothing.