Tree of Savior is unbalanced and needs rework. Fixed it for you.
i need a vouche to change my class MISSILE HOLE to runecaster, after nerf the SAGE skill
meh
another typical showcase of âlook at me, im specialâ
gm already say they read forum, and lunarrabbit found more than 10 similar threads about rework/nerf MH
but lunarrabbit feeling theres a call of destiny (compelled) to create this thread instead of replying to any of the existing thread.
u just wanna be center of the spotlight.
(and u wonder why threads are getting burried? because people like u lunarrabit dont wanna keep it in 1 thread.
dare to blame the hues for difficult to find info? but u manage to found those threads?
feeling proud because u blame it on the hues?)
how long was it since rank8 is out? 5months?
by the time imc implemented all the necessary changes for classes, this thread wouldnt be relevant anymore
how much do u wanna bet, that, next month, another lunarrabbit-wanna-be will make another ânerf MH threadâ?
tsk tsk tsk
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may u take ur own advise ?
coz the whole 11months of my tos forum career i didnt bother u until u came about recently
now u feeling the bullied? when u are the first to throw allegation around?
u just discredited yourself by your own action.
and u want people to take u seriously.
u and imc is similar. Both are incompetence lots and still have face asking for respect.
no wonder lunarrabit rate tos 10/10
coz i done giving suggestion when imc took 2months to fix party-quest bug in july2016.
coz i realize, whatever wall-of-text suggestion i write this moment, will not be relevant again in future when more changes are made.
coz i realize its easier n happier to go jolly around making memes in tos.
i wanna see your faith broken when imc dont address to your awesome-threads and cant deliver their promises by 2020.
hence, the pollâŚ
what will most likely to happen first
- imc listen and bring changes in fast, coz QQ threads popping up like rabbit breeding.
- lunarrabit quit tos and fed up, even the most positive attitude does nothing when imc go deaf ear
- haukinyau got ip banned~ huehuehue~
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PvP is a important part of any mmo and the unbalanced PvP in this game is one of the MANY reasons why the population is low. Sure, letâs remove Revenge Sevenfold lv10 with my autottack that does 4k damage, or better lets multishot the 5 players from the other twice so he can do some damage, thatâs some balance right there!
The point of the thread is to comment on a balance of a game mode that people want to enjoy, those skills NEED balance for PvP just like damage needs too.
1- Feeling bullied =/= Having someone that knows nothing insult you and going offtopic.
Iâm not like you. I donât need attention. Youâre the one hueâing for attention, lol.
2- Of course you didnât bother me until recently, because you like to doom post on that thread and I âdaredâ to post there and contradict you, lol.
3- Mind telling where I discredited myself aside from answering hues that pushes the thread down? Youâre the one pulling things from nothing. Proof?
âuuuh, hue, you do 0 contributionâ
shows one of my contributions
âuuuh, hue, i retract myselfâ
Again, you know nothing. Go hue another place, please. This thread have a serious purpose.
4- If you realize it doesnât work for, donât mess up with my topic, please. I did my topic in a good format and you hues are the ones making it go offtopic. Now, again, go back to your corner, please, while we try to discuss the skill here, since you donât even play anymore? Thanks.
I didnât ask a suggestion, I asked something so you can answer to myself. Any valid points / ? You donât even have one, stop hueing.
P.S.: Still waiting valid points how why do you think Missile Hole is balanced, or is Missile Hole âbalancedâ just because you almost never die to archers anymore? ^^
coz its not a simple fix 1 MH and get done with?
u do coding urself, u know it only took em 1min to edit the value in the codes.
havent u wonder why they dont?
I didnât ask coding stuff nor how IMC handle. I asked:
Can you show any valid points how why do you think Missile Hole is balanced?
Or is Missile Hole âbalancedâ just because you almost never die to archers anymore? ^^
Mind answering or will you continue with your âyou donât agree with me, Iâll hue youâ attitude?
this remember âswordscry about sb0 shieldâ
in the end of nerf, sb0 only affect melee
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Subzero Shield isnât as unbalanced as Missile Hole:
1- Buff duration is only 100% uptime on Skill Max level and Circle 3.
2- You still do damage thru Subzero Shield. You can counter it by having status immunity.
3- 
Lv.1 Buff, can be removed by Miko and other buff removal skills.
Balanced.
Missle Hole:
1- 100% uptime duration right on Circle 1/Skill level 1.
2- You do no damage at all.
3- Lv.3 Debuff, cannot be removed.
Unbalanced.
P.S.: Still waiting valid points how why do you think Missile Hole is balanced, or is Missile Hole âbalancedâ just because you almost never die to archers anymore? ^^
No personal attack, but it really do feels like youâre âbutthurtâ because youâre a main archer player and youâre frustrated because you get owned.
Iâm not saying thatâs the case because I donât know, but it feels like it.
I wonder how much time âMissile Holeâ has been written in this threadâŚ
Iâd like to see a Sage player, right here, now, agreeing that the spell is overpowered.
It is easy to complain as a player of the class getting hard-countered by a spell made to, more or less, counter the class.
It happens all the time in some mobas âthis is too op, I canât do anything, nerf nerfâ, then devs listen, nerfs, then they need to rebuffs other things and it just creates and endless circle, when the easy and fastest solution is just to switch character/class to counter at your turn the thing that gave you problems.
Thing is, ToS isnât suited for PvP, itâs barely giving a good PvE content, if you could âorganizeâ the matches or see who youâre going to go against, there would be a right to talk about countering, now itâs pure randomness, MH makes archer useless, not all classes, like clerics do, so if you want to balance something, just take care of Ausrine first, then rework all the classes, then weâll consider how OP MH is, even if I agree atm it needs a tweak, not a pure nerf.
@LunarRabbit Please donât jump on me with a 99 lines answer, I feel kind of lazy reading long texts right now ehâŚ
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Ok, TL;DR answer:
Iâm not butthurt, Iâm just tired of: PvP on 2v2, 90% insta-win matches for me by one-shotting anyone; 5v5: around 40% win-chance or less simply because one Sage using a debuff on start of round and forgetting about it. If I only care about winning I can just do 2v2 and get top 10 to brag about it, even tho itâs almost all boring 30-50s matches (yes, for all 3 rounds).
More:
It is not fun at all, it is plain boring because thereâs nothing as player skill that you can do to effectively counter Missile Hole when you do 1 damage.
Important thing: Needing to use status effects to deal with Missile Hole is fine, as long it isnât 100% uptime.
Sages usually wonât agree itâs overpowered simply because a lot of archer classes can one-shot them so it comes as âI donât die nowâ.
I tag/can call some who do understand it is unbalanced if you want to. While TBLâing on discord I even have friends that âoh, thatâs Lunar, but we have a Sageâ.
I also understand that ToS have bad PvP balance, too much FPS drops and everything. My only point is that, be it Ausrine, Cata, Revenge, Frost Pillar and anything, they all have long cooldowns and at least two or more way to be removed.
On Missile Hole you simply cannot fight at all aside from hide: go near 1 person, use status ailment skill to try to get one from the group hoping thereâs no status immunity, go away, go to the middle again, use skill, the person Resists the debuff, go away, someone notices you, you die.
It doesnât even require thought to use Asurine+Revive/Ausrine+Revenge/Two Ausrine, it is simply, buff and forget = archer useless.
Overall this is the expression of a sentiment everyone in this game and forum has, it can be expressed in the following words: IMC DEVELOP YOUR GAME.
It doesnât matter if it creates an endless cycle, it has to. a development cycle creating changing improving <- the end goal.
Problem is, we probably arenât heard and so we have these feedback threads turning into what you see here, little actual feedback.
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before leaving the forum, let me tell you one fact. Missle hole is only lv5 atm, wait till R9 releases and then all sages will have lv10 missile hole, try not to quit the game by then
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Thatâs exactly why I prefer to bring this issue now that balance talks are a thing than to leave it to later >.<
Do not expect IMC to nerf missle hole tbh, they wouldnt have invented this skill if they had a brain to concern about both PVP and PVE case. missle hole in PVP is just a class-ending skill or whatever how u call it, class-destorying skill maybe sounds better
Tbh, GMs in game already talked that Missile Hole is a problem. They know about it to some extend. I do hope they will adjust it to something good. It is simply because it is a class-ending/destroying skill that I think it should be reworked >.<
Note, again, that I donât want to win matches by one-shotting everyone and âhey, Iâm top Xâ, I do think that there should be counters to Archers but not as hard as doing no damage at all without any counter or viable way to remove. Iâm glad something was done but it was from one extreme point to another, soâŚ
Isnât blind a counter? If I donât recall badly you can use skills but cannot target and thus, no skills as an archer. but I can absolutely be wrong cause I havenât been blinded as of late.