they can only be better at certain situations, thats it. you need to be open-minded when thinking about things like this. any build can be effective whether you like it or not. you just don’t want to beleive it. even the worse of builds can have a strenght. all builds have a strengh and a weakness, or par at all. dont get mad when someone outplays you with a so called “dumb build”. just because YOU call it dumb. dont get facts mixed up with opinions.
There aren’t ‘other’ situations right now. Someone who decides to be anything approximating ‘Full Support’ has no content where his build shines.
He can’t solo well, obviously.
In a party, his debuffs don’t work on bosses, smaller enemies die too fast to the DPS classes to be worth debuffing, and any cleric c1 can full heal two people every twenty seconds. The only buffs really worth casting are the DPS buffs like Sacrament, and none of them scale off of stats of any kind, so why not just build dps around them?
In pvp? Maybe a debuffing build works. Its a shame it isn’t in the game at this time, and can’t be reliably commented on.
I believe this is the case, and that this should change.
i understand that some situations doesnt exist, but they will. i heard at high levels monster have a lot of hp and also hit hard. but i know that someone can be use for something, regardless of how badly chosen his build is. someone may choose a so called “dumb build” and be happy because its they way they play. i just wouldnt call their build dumb. only a child really can com up with a bad build. everybody knows what a swordsman needs. everbody knows what a cleric needs, same with the wizard and archer. the classes usually play as the class they chose. they may just have different skills. some skills are good in pvp but bad in pve. some are good in pve but bad in pvp. some choose a little bit of both sides.
@reibu_orumai btw i havent said anything about nerfing or buffing classes. we was talking about overkill.
if a barb overkilling mobs takes 2 hours, the other classes will take 4 to 6 hours .
People actually farm in this game?
I have a 120 Highlander, I just keep doing quest and level up. I only farm for items. Farming for exp is worthless. The time it takes to farm a lvel you ca reach 5 levels doing the quest in the area map.
Try it out on a different class, I guarantee it’ll feel different.
Changing overkill results in a nerf/buff to classes. Just because it’s not direct to the class doesn’t mean it doesn’t effect them positively or negatively.
You can’t overkill everything all the time otherwise you’re losing out on exp if you stand around doing nothing, and other classes can also overkill too. It’s not that simplistic.
I think overkill is a mechanic to help with farming lesser mobs or something you can’t do all very often on higher mobs. Problem is I’ve already seen barbs overkilling mobs over ten levels above theirs with seism, which you can use twice every 21 seconds. They weren’t weak to slashing either.
@alfredoba
You still haven’t hit the exp wall in demon prison.
I’ve also seen paladins 1 shot overkill mob 10 level higher than them, the point is while overkilling, you only target 1-2 mob at most. And we all know that 1v1 mob is not the best way to level.
Im right now trying cryomancer. I dont find the need to farm, just that I take 15 min to solo a boss, cause mana problems and long cooldowns.
So…is nobody going to question ‘why’ Barb can do overkill, even on Plate enemies?
Seism’s base damage, as high as it is, does not seem to be high enough to just outright one-hit for that much damage. And in term of total damage Cartar can probably match up to that amount (especially on plate enemies where cartar does extra and seism does less), yet I hardly ever see Cartar being mentioned in such situation?
So, here’s my guess: In short it’s another ‘bug’. (everyone remember that bug where Barb has too much crit damage?)
The game is probably treating all the hits of Seism as a single damage instance due to how fast it hit, which in turns make the total amount able to count as overkill.
If so, Dev just need to make the hit spread out a bit more (like Cartar) and problem’s solved. You all get to stop seeing Barb overkill everything, Barb don’t lose any damage.
People are whinning for the sake of whinning.
Most powerfull skills are multi hit, and that means they’ll rarely score an overkill.
People should stop crying and actually stick to a character and go deep in the game. Stop writing crap about your experience at low level. Get deep in the game and you’ll see that NOTHING is really like you think.
At high levels, barbarians get overkill at the same aumont of times I could solo. That means, never.
Most overkills comes from low hp, weak monsters and they yield extremely low values of exp. Who cares if Barb can score an overkill, if in the same time you can kill more monsters in the long run, due to lower CD, higher range / AoE ratio?
To level up you’ll hunt more thougher enemies since they’re worth much more, yet nobody can overkill them.
My friend was lv103 overkilling consistently packs of monsters that were lv113 when he was at Mage Tower 1F with his Barbarian.
The only other classes that I"ve seen doing it was Paladins and Elementalists, and I can’t say they were doing it “consistently”.
While I don’t care much, because 117% of what, 500 exp?, is nothing that much, I still can’t deny that it is an unfair and unecessary mechanic
did they remove the additional overkill exp at some point?
I get the same exp from monsters, no matter if I overkill them or not…
Yes.
I can’t find the tos version but here’s a recent reddit thread
Every class have CONS and PROS… got it? its not that hard to figure it out. Want to lvl fast? make a fletcher or barb or another easy leveling class. 
barbarian and wizard jobs… i was never able to do an overhit with a spear which sux because i wanted the achievement…
yap no more bonus xp…
Note that the thread is 5 months old so don’t specifically reply to posts up there.
Most of the discussion in thread doesn’t even matter because overkill exp is gone.
EDIT: I JUST REALIZED THIS THREAD IS 5 MONTHS OLD NVM ME
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