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OP Cash Shop item is added

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#61

meh who cares, p2w or not if I like the game I will pay for it.

#62

Nothing this guy is saying really seems to make sense, most people ITT have already debunked his claims earlier on as well. The Cash Shop actually sounds a lot like standard stuff, and I read up on the ‘Logged Out Player’ system before, it’s buggy right now but it’s a lot like PSO2’s friend partner system except you pay for it rather than just adding someone to your friendslist.

But yeah, insta revive doesnt benefit anyone who isn’t soloing or doesnt have a Cleric in their party. I’m sure there will be items to revive other players. No need to panic guys.

#63

Having seen and used the “Insta-revive by cash” feature in-game I have to agree it’s way too OP and definitely pay-to-win.
It doesn’t have a cooldown, it revives you with full HP and 50% SP, and worst of all - it’s freely usable in boss fights.
What’s the point of designing interesting boss encounters when you can just BUY your way through the fights by using “Nuke with all you got - die - repeat” tactic?

Please consider adding a lengthy cooldown (upwards of 30 minutes), drastically increasing the cost and/or disallowing to use it during boss fights. This thing alone can (and likely will) become a dealbreaker for many players in EU/US.

#64

You are aware of this thing called durability, right? You are aware this durability drops significantly when you die, only allowing you to die maybe up to 3 times (max) before everything is broken, right?

Please find something more suitable to classify as pay-to-win, or do more research in the future.

#65

Nearly every single f2p MMO I’ve seen in the last 10-something years had insta-repair cash shop items.
That aside, zero-cooldown insta-resurrection is bad enough by itself, repairs or not.

#66

I think you’re confusing pay-to-win with convenience. As in, the convenience of not having a mandatory priest in every party in case of mistakes. Now, if someone wastes their money continuously reviving (and insta-repairing if your assumption is true) like that, that’s their problem.

#67

I admit i see it as annoying when players see one cashshop item and are already are screaming P2W…just one question…How do you think this game is getting paid for??? real people have to get paid and feed their children you know…profit has to come from somewhere…players need to grow up and support the game they are playing instead of being cheap wanting everything free

#68

Ex-friggin-cuse me, what’s the point of having support classes in game when (according to you) it’s fine to have a cash shop item to “conveniently” replace them? What’s next, bottled cleric buffs that persist after death “because people can’t be bothered to bring a buff-oriented class”, or unkillable cash-shop exclusive pet tanks “because tanks are hard to find”?
Why not an “I WIN” button then? Some people can’t be bothered to kill those pesky bosses!

It is precisely because I’m a grown up man I detest the idea of playing a game where I compete with my wallet.
I’m fine with paying for minor convenience items (barrack/storage expansions/fast travel options/extra auction slots etc), exp boosters, cosmetic items, flashy mounts and similar stuff.

I am not, however, fine with throwing money at every single challenge a game poses until it ceases to be a challenge.
Dying is the most fundamental way in which a game can tell you “This is HARD, come back prepared next time”. Presence of a “Naaah, I’ll just keep reviving with cash” button is pretty much equivalent to being able to say “Let’s bend the rules and pretend I never died”.

Games are fun because you have to follow the rules set by the game, not because you can solve them with magic cash-powered buttons.

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#69

Good job blowing my point out of proportion! I never suggested everyone would use it. I myself would probably never use it unless I decided not to waste my time searching for a priest. That and I rarely die as it is. Again, this only applies to certain people.

Also, I’m pretty shocked you’ve been playing f2p MMOs for ~10 years and still fail to recognize what p2w is, even as an adult. No one is “winning” anything when they revive after making honest mistakes on bosses and such. Seriously, if you’re that hostile towards people with spare income that choose how they spend it (on a mechanic that affects YOU in no manner whatsoever) then well…

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#70

Nice come back? The dude gives some valid points and you come up with “Deal with it” thus admitting it is pay2win.

I’ll comment on your other points before you cry “blowing my point out of proportion” again.
Making it so money can make you win in any PvE aspect (lets imagine revives don’t work in PvP) is not P2W in your eyes. Please reread this sentence until you understand how this affects the gameplay, challenges, etc.

And yes I know what P2W is, I’ve played some games for years where donate weapons have much better stats than the legit ones. Did I donate? Hell yes I loved that game! Did I buy a donate weapon? ■■■■ NO! I refused to support these ways of obtaining money.

Items like insta-revives should have some restrictions. That way the people that want an easier way have an extra chance already.

#71

You’re so cute! At least you have a partial understanding of what p2w is.

Hm, two things here.

  1. You didn’t read this.

or 2. You haven’t played this game. I’m leaning towards the latter.

#72

I think they should follow PSO2, I think it’s now of those pay option done right, no overpowered stat boost, no high stat gear, you just pay for convenience.

Premium Users
-Ability to trade/sell items.
-Has a separate room limit from free players (so you can go to crowded channel, unless premium is full as well)
-An option of always picking the ‘rare drop rate’ effect on boost potion (or chance it up if you are a free player)
-Access to a bigger room to decorate.
-Extra 20 quest slots (40 in all)
-Extra 200 item storage
-Can buy scratch card to get awesome costumes.

The best part is, a free player can also get some of those perks but by luck, and they can also buy those costumes with in-game money so everything a payed player can get, you can also. And I think it’s a triple win for everyone involved.

Cashers can sell their costume for Free people to buy, and Sega isn’t stingy giving away cash only item as a prize for a server wide events (you always get tons of freebies) I mean it’s a perfect model and they sure are cashing on it.

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#73

I like this idea, but I think it’s too risky and can be inconsistent for a niche MMO like this. PSO2 has a much larger following and can afford to make business moves like that.

One can only hope though. :stuck_out_tongue:

#74

Most ppl here have no idea what P2W means or never played a game with P2W cash shop items , insta revive is def not P2W is called “commodity item” and in no ways it gives and advantage over other player that dosent use it, yes you can say it saves you some time because you dont have to teleport or walk back but at the end the player that uses it and the one that dosent are gona achieve the same result.
If the buisness model is gona be F2P or even B2P expect a lot of these kind of items in the cash shop, they have to make money somehow because this is first an all a buisness.

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#75

I read it, did u read the previous response of that dude? It was already adressed there and he had a valid point.

#76

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#77

I don’t really like the idea of the instant revive myself, with no death penalty death is meaningless. Go into a fight and lose until you win should never be a thing.

That being said, It’s a bad decision but a tolerable one as well… especially if they still receive durability loss or even exp loss at death.

#78

Item durability takes a hit, and any gems you had in your inventory (but not the ones already socketed) drop on the ground. Using iCash revive there’s no risk of losing gems, since you can immediately pick them up, plus if you weren’t fighting alone you can get back into the fight immediately (dying during a boss fight alone means the boss will reset and regain any lost HP).

#79

Guys, those who whine & cry due to the paywall…so what? There are people who are bound to never afford and those who can. Yes, it’s a wall and that wall has been there before you were born. Just because people can be OP because they mall/pay cash, you then call it unfair? Well, at least they support the devs in a way or another. And, it’s their money, not yours.

I haven’t played the game yet but i’m planning on buring my hard earned cash the way i want it. For those who cry, go asked your parents for $$ or work your asses off. Better yet, blame your life for your inabilities to provide for leisure.

Here’s a grain of salt.

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#80

how about you do something better than necroing threads that are almost a year old, rofl.