["Official" Player Feedback] Change DPK to RNG

[Lionly]

Since IMC is asking for player feedback, I want to make a clear and official suggestion why DPK needs to be changed. Here are my argument points:

1. DPK goes against your game’s motto of player collaboration. Instead of working together to get rewards, players need to fight each other to get the loot. This decreases player interest and reduces community collaboration. Players will play less and spend less money.

2. DPK encourages unethical behaviors and bullying because it requires players who are hunting for the items to dominate a channel to secure loot. This increase player frustration and reduces community collaboration. Players will play less and spend less money.

3. DPK requires 1-3 dedicated hours to secure loot, which stops players from enjoying other features of this game. This reduces player involvement. Players will play less and spend less money.

Solution:
Replace DPK with RNG. This will give players the power to work together, which is what makes MMO fun. This will give players the power to grind for however for they want, and still be able to join community activities (TBL, GvG, dungeons).

The following is for your Dev staff that has language barriers:

IMC가 플레이어의 피드백을 요청하기 때문에 DPK를 제거해야하는 이유를 명확히 제시하고자합니다. 나의 논점은 다음과 같다.

1. DPK는 플레이어 협업이라는 게임의 모토에 어긋납니다. 보상을 얻기 위해 함께 일하는 대신, 플레이어는 전리품을 얻기 위해 서로 싸워야합니다. 이렇게하면 플레이어의 관심이 줄어들고 커뮤니티 공동 작업이 줄어 듭니다. 플레이어는 적게 게임하고 적은 돈을 쓸 것입니다.

2. DPK는 아이템을 사냥하고있는 플레이어가 전리품을 확보하기 위해 채널을 지배해야하기 때문에 비 윤리적 행동과 괴롭힘을 조장합니다. 이는 플레이어의 좌절감을 높이고 커뮤니티 협업을 감소시킵니다. 플레이어는 적게 게임하고 적은 돈을 쓸 것입니다.

3. DPK는 전리품을 확보하기 위해 1 ~ 3 시간의 헌신 시간을 요구하며, 이로 인해 플레이어는이 게임의 다른 기능을 즐기지 못하게됩니다. 이렇게하면 플레이어의 참여가 줄어 듭니다. 플레이어는 적게 게임하고 적은 돈을 쓸 것입니다.

해결책:
DPK를 RNG로 교체하십시오. 이것은 플레이어들에게 함께 일할 수있는 힘을 줄 것이며, 이것이 MMO를 재미있게 만듭니다. 이것은 플레이어에게 그들이 원하는 것을 갈기위한 힘을 줄 것이며 여전히 지역 사회 활동 (TBL, GvG, 던전).

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[clockwork95]

I was reading somewhere else on the forum a suggestion of lowering the amount of kills to secure the loot but increasing the amount of items required for the item. This is obviously more labor intensive on the dev’s side of things (I would assume), but it’s the best way to keep the system intact. Personally, I love the idea of the DPK system, but the amount of kills + respawn timers makes it ridiculously and frustratingly difficult, even by TOS standards.

If it can’t be done, then I would support changing it to random chance because I would like to make a gladiator band sometime in 2017…

[Lionly]

The problem is this:
Say you are farming for an item that takes 600 DPK, and you spend 2 hours doing this. I then wander into your channel because I am just questing, and I just happen to kill the 600th monster. I will get the item (which is untradeable), while you just wasted 2 hours of work.

I can’t find enjoyment in that… for anyone involved.

And as for dev labor, IMC just said they hired more dev with the funding from Nexon, so if you want changes, this is the time to ask.

[Blanko1230]

This might sound completely insane but why not make DPK bound to a player?
Example: You yourself need 50 kills of that monster not a total amount of player on that channel and the DPK loot only drops for you. Also any mob will award you with that loot when you hit that special number.
Group kills would count towards it as well to encourage partying.

This would maybe encourage grinding for it with a group instead of despairing on people stealing it from you or having shitty RNG.

Oh and also: don’t reset count when leaving map (or logging out as well)

[_Val_]

I’m not sure if you’re aware but there is already changes on ktest server regarding dpk, to my personal experience most of the drops worked in rng manner after. However I didn’t try on items that had a high dpk count and I’m not sure if they are changed or not.

As far as I’m aware it has not been implemented on live servers for ktos, so my only guess they are still testing the system. Anyhow it’s fair to assume dpk system is going to have changes in the future or even completely changed.

[neith720]

Since IMC is asking for player feedback

They do that to give you some hope, in the end they won’t do anything and you will have spent some more tp’s in the meanwhile

[clockwork95]

I think that response was directed at me…

But I totally understand the problem. If I wasn’t clear, the suggestion that was proposed was this:

Say to craft X item you need 30 of Y DPK dropped item. The DPK for Y item is 600. Well, change it so instead you need 200 of Y item, but the DPK for Y item is now 75. With lower DPK, it doesn’t take as long to make progress on the item you are trying to craft, but takes about equally as long to get the full amount. This way someone can’t jump in when you are close to the 600th kill and take it from you…If they did then you would just need to kill 75 more which is much less of a daunting task.

I like the idea of “bound” DPK too.

[Queue]

I recommend keeping a channel DPK in conjunction with RNG. In the unlikely case of an item not dropping this would ensure it would within a reasonable time frame. But this is one of the biggest issues that needs to be addressed, thankfully many of the newly added items, in particular gems, drop with RNG, that combined with what’s happening on KTEST are all signs of the system changing. This needs be addressed fast though.

[Sensate]

Yeah… as long as they give fencers a practonium based rapier. Otherwise, let’s all suffer together

[Latte0]

Similar to what @Queue says…

What we need is DPK + RNG.

RNG ensures people have a chance to get the items they want regardless of how other people are interacting with the monsters on the map.

And very importantly, DPK ensures an item “will drop” after a certain amount of kills. For things that have like 10,000 DPK counts (translates into 0.01% drop rate), you may never get the item without the “help” of DPK.

[Aotsuke]

Next step would be : "Sorry our devs don’t understand korean or english. They speak… Uh they speak vietnamese, maybe chinese or maybe swedish.
Oh no, my bad, they’re deaf and blind. But keep going with the suggestions, we will soon™ consider the idea that maybe we should think about trying to implement it. "

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Topic related :

DPK mixed with % would be okay, but we need increased channels, both at the same time won’t work, we already struggle with what we have at the moment.

I do agree that the DPK system could be interesting with RNG, because sometimes it’s just boring to farm after 5 days that 0.01% shield, so it would at least reward the effort.

It should simply be an individual DPK instead of channel DPK. I don’t get their thoughts when they got this idea.

[jynxie08]

Crafting 315 orange equips will be 2x longer if we dont have DPK in place. Right now, you only need to swell mobs when youre about to hit the DPK, with RNG youre required to swell every mobs thus prolonging of you killing the monsters, you also need to wait the CD. If you dont wanna swelll mobs you only get 1 drop.

You kill 5k mobs in rank 8 mobs with random drop and yet still hoping for it to drop, 2 days later with 20k still none. Because worst luck doesnt happen.

I prefer 2x drops with a risk of someone stealing them, rather than hoping 1 day will the loot ever drop.

[Seiran]

Depends. For the RNG drops you get around 6 an hour solo, even more with a good party. For DPK you get 2 an hour. I prefer the RNG ones.

Also, when you swell mobs there’s no difference in killing, you either kill them with instantly with swell as thaum or don’t double drops at all.

[jynxie08]

For the RNG drops you get around 6 an hour solo, even more with a good party

Well we dont have % of orange mats in random, so 6 per hour is kinda unbelievable.

[Seiran]

We do.

Both % drops, both around 6+ per hour.

[jynxie08]

What mats is that im unaware we have random drops in place.

[Seiran]

https://tos.neet.tv/items/7125086

Kugheri Numani's Bell	× 44
Mouringaka Antenna		× 28

[jynxie08]

Oh, those mats are easy to get theyre random however theyre not the same as the main mats. The Antenna is DPK AFAIK, it doesnt have % value.

Swelling doubles the HP of mobs and damage. So it will take longer if you want to swell every mobs on random drops. Cool down is an issue too, meaning you have to wait the CD before we kill the mobs.

[Kur0ir0_Rai]

May i ask you something? I farmed Kugheri Lyoni Horn yesterday and got x4 horns in 2 hrs but today 3 hrs got only 1. My question is; Is it really DPK or RNG?.

[jynxie08]

May i ask you something? I farmed Kugheri Lyoni Horn yesterday and got x4 horns in 2 hrs but today 3 hrs got only 1. My question is really DPK or RNG?.

AFAIK theyre DPK. im using this as reference from Soviet. https://forum.treeofsavior.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/c/4c187ad8f5397e89e064ec32bf69eeb83a98bd76.jpg

I dont farm the crossbow, I farm kugheri decorations for emengard shield because it is the highest in price. But im sure every 315 orange have 1 random mat and a DPK one.

Rabbit probably thinking if we dont have DPK mats on 315 weapon, meaning convert it similar to RNG one you also need. The percentage will be the same. I think the % will be lowered because it is considered as main mat to compensate the effort you need to excel when it was DPK before.