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#41

I support missile hole nerf if they can nerf transcendence or do away with it altogether. With the current transcendance levels, missile hole is sadly needed to avoid OP attacks like malleus from going out of control.

I mean you’re ranking in the top #20 even with missile hole. I’d be pretty happy with it. Ya, you’re not OP like cryo-kino or diev3-miko-inquisitor, but you’re still in a solid position.

Besides, you don’t run into missile hole every match.

As a cata, I run into hard counters all the time too…actually melee is a big CON because when you build glass to hit people you can’t tank and then magic destroys you. If you build tank so you don’t instantly die to magic, you can’t hit anyone. When you are ranged, you can afford to build a bit more glass since you can kite attacks.

#42

I think it all goes back to the point that MH does not have any counter play. Not “limited counter play,” but absolutely NO counter play. Against archers, it is an “auto-win” button, and it is for your entire team. I don’t see why folks are still debating this tbh.

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#43

Missile Hole and Transcendence are separate issues, but I agree, they need to adjust both. But remember, if I break Missile Hole the Sage can renew it in 3s~ because it is 100% uptime, at the moment to be able to do something I need to one-shot a 60k HP Sage with good gears which also was a Kino.

Also, I don’t care about rankings, I can die anytime to Revenge, to Ausrine, to anything, but I’m getting rank #20 even with sages in TBL because:

  1. Less people (and sages) playing.
  2. Unbalanced teams/being carried.
  3. Unbalanced mechanic: transcendence.
  4. Rank 7 (or less) characters in lower ranks or enemy team.
    etc~

And yes, for 1 hour of TBL it’s an average of 30-45 minutes against sages, and 15-20 minutes against no-sage teams (and of these around 5-15 minutes against Revenge/Aus/etc but they have counters). Plus almost all matches in GvG have Sages.

But, about Catas, the enemy Cata was the MVP of that match, really, you just need better weapons and you’re good. Everyone have counters but only archers have absolute counters :<

That’s what I wanted to show with the video, in real matches (not 5x 1v1 inside a 5v5 match) we can’t do anything.

#44

Okay so yours truly has decided to be summoned (very unwillingly) to the forums. Orsha server, player Senyosu, yadda yadda got the same fino build as karga/ritsu and a sage to boot, a general pissant in TBL.

Let me weigh in the Missile Hole Dilemma and the issue of transendence.

Missile Hole is VERY broken. I agree on this part as a chrono sage. Use missile hole buff at start, pass, bam insta missile hole some time down the line (if im lucky enough and not blind to pears or incoming malleus :v ). This short cooldown + pass makes it a quasi invincibility buff, and I find it somewhat reprehensible (on the tier I find moves like ausrine, r7x, bloodletting, prophecy, and GOHEI reprehensible).

The cooldown and duration of MH is stupidly broken, yet it has three if not four ways to break it very fast. Hunter skills. Simple and sweet, sic that penguin or hamster at my ass and I’ll die fast enough by yours or someone elses hand. Poison/Broadhead, somewhat less reliable due to prophecy and bloodletting being a thing (as well as block but that aside for now) but breaks through it ez pz. Machine gunning that sick bitch, trust me this is how I have seen many a sage or someone with MH die, and they get hit 16 times and die on the 17th. Less reliable than the previous two, but very straightforward for SRs/QS and requires team play (CCs, debuffs, gohei, etc). The fourth is, well, playing a war of attrition. This is rare but it happens, MH doesn’t get used for the duration of the round, sage dies to pears, etc. As the round goes on for longer, the likeliness of landing a kill increases. Besides we have to wait out ausrine anyways already lol.

My suggested nerfs for such buffs is increase the cooldown or decrease duration. Alternatively, percent reduction instead of a full block in PVP scenarios only (MH case, say you typically hit 4k it simply gets reduced to 2k etc etc). MH is a blessing in PVE as is and I’m happy with the state of it there, but TBL/PVP it’s like the ■■■■■■■ malignant tumor (among many) of this unbalanced as hell game.

Now on the other side, regarding shitfuckton amounts of blocks because you know, full CON pvpers are a thing, are more annoying for archers as it provides a very unpredictable sense of security. Thy skills may not work on say a full CON Fino even when they are levitating because he-hey they got fuckton amounts of HP AND block on top of it. I’d say that is an annoyance in itself.

On a side note why are you still QQing about this anyways you have the block pen for that problem with block I just stated, and as an SR you can machine gun your merry way. I stated the workarounds (#Dethrone #Pears #Malleus) so might as well build off that.

:v:

You cannot rely on the same tactics to win every time, that’s just being a whiny lazy binch :v

However, I do agree MH requires a needed boot to the head alongside several other skills in TBL. Gottverdammt this game’s pvp is a mess.

PS> thanks for providing screenies of my bunny fino, it’s garbage and i cannot aim mag force for ■■■■

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#45

snip

I will read your post when you stop afking like TeamSwaaz in TBL and throwing the match for everyone else

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#46

sad but true rip

I blame cryo lag tree and my potato computer :v

#47

Are you saying you don’t have an i7, 12 GB of RAM and a GTX900+ to run an obscure weeb game?

smh

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#48

W A S T E D

/20 featherfoots in TBL

#49

GG GET GOOD NOOB

20 character’s? How about 1. No .2. Sen fight me 1v1 me noob. 20 chars mlg420blazed

#50

Read the post anyways.

i cannot aim mag force for ■■■■

aim

mag force

lel

That aside, if TBL wasnt random queue, you bet that every good team would have a Catagoon2 or CatagoonLancer to deal with the sage.

Once sage dies, then archer would be fine…or just replace archer with another kino/inquis/catagoon

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#51

remiri pls

Definitely. Even then some sages (mostly me) cast things in vicinity of pears (did I mention I got sniped by pears when I didn’t even see them on screen?) so an inqui to deal with the sage is fine enough, but catagoons (with substantial mdef so they don’t die from tripping over a fireball) are a more ‘effectively’ sage killer to begin with.

#52

Trippin’ over fireballs is a beautiful thing. I especially love when someone is killed by a fireball then revived on that same fireball causing them to die immediately.

#freeiggy

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#53

I love when a dank meme pro taoist gg rets firebawls wit weed calling. Gg rekt ez

FREE MY HOMIE IGGYXVAMP

#54

:v My own frickin teammate wipes out my few attack skills with storm calling when I’m already sequestered to a corner because of pears. I literally stood in one spot the entire game.

Why you do this.

Since video thread, this is basically Café in a nutshell:

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#55

Just this and I know you don’t know your class buffs well (at least the part that Missile Hole can’t be removed with Gohei) and never played an archer (hunter, fletcher, wugushi, QS or SR) in PvP. I’m out from discussing Archers against Missile Hole with you because I’m tired of explaining the same thing over and over that you can find in my previous topics/posts, I’m skipping this entirely.

Full CON wizards are totally different from Missile Hole, That’s only a problem if the given Archer isn’t a Cannoneer and went Full DEX without any PvP gear.

And, again, SR isn’t just about SR skills and I keep telling this over and over, cooldowns are long, you are forced to use AoE (weakness against Revenged) and etc.

Totally agreed, that’s why I don’t like Missile Hole -> FaceTankToWin. I’ve been improving my playstyle against MH by finding Time Bomb Arrow, getting higher transcendence stages, learning how to use Full Draw to cancel skills (since Heavy Shot doesn’t work) and etc. Sages/Missile Hole teams: Mostly keep face-tank to win.

RIP, I fail at the processor, using an i5 only :< my friend with latest i7 6th generation can walk around two frost pillars ;-;

@Remiri btw, I hate playing against you, I always say to my friends that you play well your character ;-;

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#56

I play a falconer (needs r8 someone power level with me :v ) and falcon boops are all I do now. Very annoying. Very disruptive. Still needs better gear and more practice at playing. And noted on MH not being gohei-able.

Cannoneers are risky in pvp due to r7x being a thing, seen people like HwaSa (spelling how2) and Clarina get mugged due to it. If anything, the high CON builds pose a problem even to them due to r7x appearing 4/5 matches. And fair point on the latter, conceded.

You desync like hell, even more desyncs than me, this is why people get annoyed or surprised when your skills suddenly appear despite you being at the spawn. The gears are certainly working, but your desyncs are beyond annoying, to be blunt. Although I have a potato computer and zimbabwe tier internet so who am I to say :v

Hence why MH should be like Ausrine, short duration, longer cooldown. And by longer I mean long enough pass (because chronosages are the biggest offenders of facetanking via MH) doesn’t make it spamable twice over. Or something like counterspell, just a small area where missile attacks don’t hit (may be just as broken idk) aka actual missile hole. In short, cooldown too short, duration too long.

D E S Y N C H E L L

S> more mdef

#57

On a side note, what other cheap tactics do people know outside of the face tank via ausrine/MH?

My fave is getting r7x and walking over the other inqui’s pears.

:v

#58

Meanwhile, in EU Fedimian

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#59

Gg u noob pvp jajaja fight me 1v2 m8

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#60

I say the same for Cataphracts hitting me invisible with Rush or stuck on some wall while killing me, lol. Kinos teleporting before 3 2 1 and getting desync (or simply the teleport advantage) and etc, it is pretty annoying.

I meant his play style and timing on Gohei + skills, not pure M DEF. I’d also need HP and everything, might just reroll another class if I was caring about M DEF + HP or play on my kinos/etc, can’t have everything (glass mole or nuaele, transcendence on accessories or weapon, shield or SR skills, CON or DEX/STR).