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Non-2h Doppel or Shield Fencer?

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

Hello guys,

I’m trying to build a pvm-only off-tank character that sacrifices a bit more DPS for the sake of tanking properly.

To tank properly, I’m inclined to get at least Pelt 2 Rode 2 so I have lvl 10 swash buckling (lvl 5 pulls only a few mobs and doesn’t give too much aggro) and Slithering to tank magic attacks. I also have my mind set on getting high DEX to dodge physical attacks because I hate how gear breaks so quickly in a full CON build (but obviously I won’t be neglecting getting decent CON).

Now, the obvious choice for a Pelt 2 Rode 2 would be something coupled with Murmillo (maybe Rode 3 Shinobi or Rode 3 Pelt 3). But to make it short, I hate Murmillos.

So the only other choices I have are Doppel 3, Fencer 3 or Dragoon 2.

Now I know those classes don’t really combo well with Pelt 2 Rode 2 due to many reasons, but again, I’m willing to accept that and sacrifice dps in exchange for tankiness.

I have an idea how Dragoon 2 would perform because there wouldn’t be any drawbacks for using a spear + shield with that class.

Now for both Doppel 3 and Fencer 3 things get interesting because I’m forced to wear a shield with them. So the question is, how sub-optimal would those classes be given you have to wear a shield?

For doppel 3, I was considering getting max Cyclone, Deeds of Valor and Punish since all other skills are limited to 2h (maybe spend 1 point in the other skills that give debuffs when I feel like flipping weapons). I wouldn’t mind the defense decrease from Deeds since i’d have high evasion and considerable block. Also, how good is Punish’s new attribute? I heard it gives 1 extra line of damage per mob hit?

As for fencer 3, my biggest concern is about Epee Garde. Are you still able to use important shield skills with it? I know I can use Swash Buckling with a dagger but I can’t do that with Slithering. How much would it hurt my build not getting Epee if shield skills don’t work with it?

Thanks in advance!

#2

Waah, don’t play swordi dude really 2hand Doppel is a must when you have more than 1 rank also fencer can still have a shield during Epee garde but will give you 0 stats and Dragon well… is a two handed spear user wich means no shield to do something good.
For what you want :Swordi>pelt>hopC3>doppel>dragoon C2
Can use a shield and manual block
Off tank via stats
Got doppel and dragoon in the same build

#3

You can still c block with epee garde and you can still use shield skills. Only the physical defense stat of the shield is affected.

#4

I thought Dragoons had ability to use 1h spear as well?

Thanks for your other inputs regarding doppel, I’ll keep that in mind.

That means the block rate isn’t affected either? And it’s pretty nice you can still use shield skills.

#5

Nope. My block still goes up to lower 2k ish. Visually shield is not there so yeah :stuck_out_tongue:

#6

Well thats pretty nice, I might go Fencer then. I mean, the physical defense doesn’t make much difference considering you already have plenty of evasion and block.

Thank you for your help.

#7

Everything on Doppel C1 doesn’t require a two handed sword iirc so that includes mordschlag and DPE as well.

#8

Dopple excel only with barb cleave. Unless you plan to take only 1 circle of it for DOV + Cyclone.

Dopple 3 main attraction is zwer which gives additional slash add on to barb.
Zwer + cleave > slash skill rotation profits.

Fencer will work better generally. Fencer is literally a stand alone class.

Dragoon will work out fine. The only thing you are missing is Hoplite lunge and finestra that’s about it

#9

Seems like you want to play an AFK Tank with Swash Buckle into throw weight on C Button.
I advise you to go Doppel 1, get Double Pay Earn 5 such that before a Boss dies you can remove the weight, press another button and then go for C again. Anything else after that doesn’t matter for you it seems. Dragoon 2 is still open then.

#10

Quite the opposite. I’m looking for an even balance between offense and defense.

I’m also building very high DEX / evasion so I don’t need to rely on block rate to prevent physical dmg.

Why would a C spammer even bother getting Fencer 3, Doppel 3 or Dragoon 2? Just because I’m wearing a shield it means I’m limited to C spamming?

I’m just looking for dps alternatives to Murmillo that have similar tanking capabilities (Swash Buckling 10 and Slithering).

I’ve tried full CON peltasta C-spamming tankers in the past. Wasn’t fun (not for me). I don’t intend to trail that path again.

#11

kToS ‘‘fixed’’ this, party members attacks now counts, so there goes the dirt cheap easy exp scroll skill down the drain(still not bad if you’re farming items from low level areas).

Oddly enough, as a fencer, I’ve noticed that I dodge more often when holding my guard up, perhaps there’s a hidden evasion boost while actively guarding.

#12

I know. But There isn’t anything else for him to skill either. :smiley:

#13

dragoon c2 honestly. Best synergy with a shield
fencer or dragoon are your best options, definitely not doppel.
you can also do rode 3 shinobi murmilo.

#14

Non-2H sword skills in Doppel tree:

  • Punish
  • Deeds of Valor
  • Mordschlag
  • Double Pay Earn
  • Cyclone

All have 15 levels. At C3 you have 45 skill points.

There’s your skills that can be used with any weapon. Deeds will reduce all armor to 0 so that shields physical defense will not mean anything. However magic defense is not touched.

Mordschlag is an insane knock back skill.
Punish at C3 is a big AoE attack only usable on knocked back monsters.
Cyclone is the bread and butter of the Doppel class.

Can you make a non 2H Doppel? Sure thing. Is it going to be as good as a 2H Doppel? No, because you miss out on the brand new R8 Doppel skills, one of which adds a new 50% more slash damage on cloth, leather and ghost.

Redel, Zucken and Zornhau all gain new attributes at C3 that make them hit twice or more hits.

The core of the class is to apply slash debuff and smack the monster hard with the skills mentioned and then rotate (no pun intended) into Cyclone and deal insane amounts of damage.

If you ignore them you’ll… well… you’ll be unique at least?

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#15

Sw2>Hop2>Sair>Dopp3 for PvP meat blender madness XD
Restrain+Finestra+DOV+PB buffs
Hook>Stride(knockdown)>Punish>Cyclone

#16


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With defense buff.

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I can solo 3 or 4 of them but need regen every time if doing dat…

lv10 Deeds of Valor

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Without Deeds of Valor i can kill it with just one Cyclone.

Extra~

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Just a sample i still testing and…still stuck on IMC’ed by Storage game crash…

It fun because with the new mission balance i can stack lv10 Deeds of Valor on boss fight.
In Pain Barrier 19sec just enought to do Umbo Thrust> Cleave> Cyclone just repeat dat.

With max buff use 2 Cyclone alway can hold aggro and then i can dancing around or press c.
(actually i just got one attack spell only .__.)

If low hp just press c and right click on Deeds of Valor icon to cancel it.

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Really Fascinated with Sword+Shield Doppel
#17

Very interesting and unique build!

Please let us know how you perform once you hit rank 8 :smile:

#18

Okey… i’m a stone age people that don’t know how to use youtube with toaster laptop.

And don’t mind that Tomb Lord card.
Coz it just for science purpose.:slight_smile:

#19

will you change your stat build with the new gems? but what can i say? your build works :slight_smile:

#20

no
https://tos.neet.tv/skills/10106

It all about build.