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New "Buffed/Nerfed" Guardian discussion topic

Class and Rank Swordsman
#4

I wonder if it really is -63%total attack or something else, like
-63% weapon atk or
-63% atk from stats.

According to this topic High Guard does not really cut the total damage in half, like the tooltip description implies, but only reduces the base damage (the “physical damage” in your character stats). And that means skill damage will probably stay the same (equipment atk/weapon atk too?).

And my guess would be that it’ll be the same for Guardian: -18%~-63% status attack, but skill attack (and equip/weapon atk?) won’t be affected.

And even if you use High Guard and Guardian at the same time for >100% attack reduction, skill attack (and equip/weapon atk?) should stay the same.

I also wonder : Does High Guard reduce the “critical attack” stat, or just the base “physical attack” stat? If it doesn’t affect “critical attack” then high crit/high crit attack builds might be interesting

#5

good thing there’s skill reset pot from the event, ill reset my swordsman 3 skills :slight_smile:

#6

I don’t understand why pelt has 2, not 1 but 2, buffs with penalties when there are plenty other classes in other branches that have buffs with no penalties.

Guardian was a 1 point wonder for the evasion and now in that aspect, the scaling numbers are a nerf. Sure you can level it for scaling def now, but using that alongside high guard would effectively kill nearly any type of damage you output. This further encourages the “swash then hold c” type of pelt smh.

#7

A slight nerf to me. It’s already way too easy to tank the majority of physical mobs/monsters in this game and I’ll only consider it if it’s magic defense boost. Well, I’m not too concerned about capping evasion so that’s that.

#8

I was one of the people saying not to rush to judgement until we knew how exactly it worked, but with those numbers it’s definitely garbage.

#9

how many attack reduce guardian at lvl 1?

#10

When mobs have 2000 or 4000 base physical attack. Which is pretty much what you’ll find in Earth Tower or on some bosses.
This is one of the few ways to get your defense closer to nullifying that.
At the cost of Physical attack stat, which generally isn’t very high with a 1h build to begin with unless you rigorously pump Strength and it does not make up most of your damage unless you all you do is auto attack, since skill damage is a part of your damage output.

So while it says -63% attack, -63% attack does not = to -63% Dps.

For the generic part of the game Guardian is unnecessary since mobs don’t hit that hard, but Guardian + Aspersio will be potent for culling high amounts of end-game Mobs, mobs where you are taking extra damage from level difference, and bosses.

#11

It’s useless, you already barely take any damage from physical damage by just buying aspersio (which is a party wide buff, with higher values and no drawnback available at the same rank) and the damage loss will only make you lose aggro faster even if it only applies to patk.

Damage reduction works against you when it comes to “tanking” in this game, it needs to be removed from both guardian and high guard.
And it’s not like those buffs deserved such penalties to begin with, i get 300%+ more block from priest party wide stone skin than the non scaling block increase featuring -50% patk reduction and crit rate reduction of pelt2-3 high guard.

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#12

It shouldn’t have a penatly period.

#13

Agree… Just compare to priest’s aspersion… They are both acquired at same ranks but aspersion is far superior now (well, always been). You can stack both, sure, but Peltasta’s buff should be better since they’re a tank class while priests are just support.

And the % atk reduction is going to screw up with people who only took it lvl 1 for evasion atrib. So that’s a nerf to them.

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#14

■■■■, hunters can give the whole party a 20% eva bonus with no penalty. Sure only fencers may like that buff but it just shows how IMC screws over swordsman so hard compared to the other trees.

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#15

just 2 months nerf for no reason guys…now its back stronger than ever! rejoice!:joy:

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#16

They nerf this again

before
-2% per level

now
-3,5% per level

well i gues i stay on 1/5 after reset skills

#17

Lol wtf nerfed again. Kinda weird how they’re going back and forth.

#18

Nah it’s not nerfed again. It’s just how they translated it that’s all.Right now it’s 14% + 3.5% per level. Then they’re going to change it to 2% + 0.9% per level aftet this patch.

Guardian

  • Attack decrease up 3.5% from base 14% -> up 0.9% from base 2%
#19

If that’s the case then is Lv1 or Lv5 better?

#20

Peltasta was heavily buffed this patch,even High Guard and Shield Lob are decent now.

#21

Kind of…but considering the harsh nerf from last patch, it’s more or less just pulling even right now.

I consider the new guardian a very mild buff compared to the old version. And obviously strong buff compared to current version.

#22

Guardian and Gung Ho cause drama in every party that has a Linker2 in it. The Peltasta uses guardian to stay alive, while the solo Kirito uses Gung Ho to kill the Peltasta. Both skills need their penalties removed.

#23

Just looked at gungho again after not using it for months.

I doubt -60DEF can kill a peltasta. Similarly, after the most recent buff to guardian, I doubt a 2% PATK penalty will greatly upset a solo kirito.

But still, guardian and gungho are kinda weird in that only one can be used at once. It would be nice if you can use them at the same time and remove both of their penalties… Or like combine the two into 1 skill after their penalties are removed.