Hello all,
Do any of our players playing on the Korean Version know what the new Cleric AA Build will be, just wanted to get a general idea so I have a plan come early January.
I am currently using the old Meme Chaplain C1/Priest3/Chap1/Kriv3/Inq1 with zealot to cap 10 just for the immolation.
Thank you.
I donât know about cleric yet. But some solid options in Scout treeâŠ
doing an AA build is not effective anymore, the only way to play a Chaplain thatâs efficient is now with Inquisitor.
Probably the best build would be with Oracle,Chaplain and Inquisitor, though I strongly vouch against autoattacking, itâs just the worst and most boring playstyle in the whole game;
you might as well just quit and play something else if you just want to autoattack in a game thatâs focused on playing with many buffs/debuffs/attack skills like TOS.
Or switch to autoattacking Scout
@Umineko:
As a rule of thumb, if people want advice its implied that they donât want it from you.
Most people giving advice at least strive to meet these criteria in some form or fashion:
They attempt to be as objective as possible to ensure the best quality of advice.
If possible they prioritize having the right information (be it from testing, crowdsourcing or analysis). And if they lack information or certainty they make that clear.
That subjective viewpoints are the least important to objective topics, and should only ever supplementary in those cases.
You so frequently screw up these basic principles that your advice is most often outright detrimental to anyone trusting enough to read it.
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As for specifics this time around:
So, please shut the â â â â up and leave this to people who know what theyâre doing.
Mind you Iâm not a ktest player, so my information isnât remotely as concrete as I would like to be.
But given how much is left untested, we most likely canât reach certainty until we get an iToS release.
In terms of cleric AA, since Iâm not familiar enough with scout or archer, there are a lot of options available right now but most donât quite fit the old aa synergy either.
Chaplain should still perform the best in terms of raw dmg from the cleric aa builds.
Though Sadhu may see some use now due to its changes to OoB (which is now affected by most chap buffs.)
Daino is no longer an aa type mechanic, and monkâs new aa is way too low dmg to build around.
As for building chap in rebuild:
Just mix and match what you want, tada you got a chap.
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Though there are a few caveats:
Right back at you, that advice you posted has nothing to do with autoattacking at all.
You suggest Classes for spamming skills and still act as if they do anything for autoattacking.
Exorcist for autoattacking? Druid? omg.
Inquisitor is best in slot because of Breaking Wheel and flames.
How the heck are you supposed to get enough AoE to attack 15+ enemies incoming without either
A: using an AoE skill
B: stocking up on all kinds of AoE attack ratio items or
C: using Breaking Wheel to spread autoattacks
?
Donât tell me you suggest Paladin for two-handed mace AoE attack ratio attribute to solve that issue so you can attack enough enemies. With the new aggro limit increase it would be a waste to just strike a few enemies at a time after all.
Other options? You mean adding Monk for Double Punch aspd boost? Which options are there to directly improve autoattacking? Maybe Zealot is an option, but it has a higher downtime on the damage bonus (15 seconds) than Death Sentence (0 to 5 seconds).
I also stated it would be
not the only option. And it contains the word probably, not âcertainlyâ.
The reason is that you have improved cc protection & damage boost (Counterspell, Prophecy, Death Sentence) which can be helpful to get the most out of Visible Talent (+ you get Twist of Fate to finish off bosses that didnât die from Visible Talent in CM).
This is my standpoint. Itâs his choice, he has to look at it and test and then make his own choice.
Yeah itâs subjective, and I stated itâs my viewpoint [after playing 10 years of autoattacking in Ragnarok Online on Hunter,Assassin and Rogue].
Heâs asking for a general idea, not advice. A general idea is subjective as hell. Youâre asking for me to comply to terms he didnât set.
The general idea of autoattacking on Cleric after Re:build is bad.
You have only 3 lines at best (normal attack + Last Rites+Aspergillum), and thus are stuck with around 400% SFR per autoattack before any amplification (no idea if Capella works on all lines or any line at all).
Youâre stuck with a tiny AoE since mace & one-handed sword have little to no attack area, let alone the AoE attack ratio to attack many enemies at all (so you need to stack on specific equips to fix that or do the other two things I listed above).
You say that but you ignore his point completely
Instead you suggest doing a hybrid skill spamming & autoattacking build without stating so
as if PD,Exorcist or Zealot can grant your Chaplain the needed AoE attack ratio to autoattack more targets.
Your advice is nowhere near the thing he wanted. He wanted the general idea about autoattacking builds.
You present him with Chaplain builds.
You even abrogate the point heâs interested in
switching over to building a Chaplain. Your comment could have been over at that point, yet you drag it out with something irrelevant. And yet you criticize me for being subjective with my own opinion.
Come on, thatâs just a way to circumvent the forum rules and starting an ad hominem attack.
You even want me to shut up in a forum thatâs supposedly open for presenting points of discussion after presenting ± as much on-topic material as I did,gg.
Never play your hand this early, especially not a losing one.
Prior to rebuild you could have gotten away with a high focus on AA, even exclusively for some builds.
But doing that in after it, for clerics at least, means you throw away a good chunk of dmg/utility and shouldnât even be attempted due to only getting 3 class circles most of which have added DPS skills with them.
Ergo in rebuild, this will be the only type of aa cleric that matters.
I rather hinted at that with the whole âbut most donât quite fit the old aa synergy eitherââŠ
Koinonia + aa is very potent in a group that can handle it.
Build Capella also boost holy dmg by 100%, so the synergy is still there.
But yet you will auto attack less on such a build.
Druid still has demilycanâs +30% magic dmg, +60% crit rate. And you have carnivory to boost crit dmg/atk further.
Chorta/Thorn donât even take up much time either, leaving you with plenty of time to auto attack.
And Iâm saying that compared to other circles those aspects donât even cut close to being the best.
Flames also got nerfed to a hard cap of 5 enemies and 3 active at once. So theyâre not as good as they used to be.
Breaking wheel is good but held back by its 40s cd.
If you want to use it more often you have to use breastripper+attribute to lower its cd anyway. Which gets right back to my core point above that even inquis+chap isnât pure aa.
Not solely for that, but paladin is a decent enough tertiary option due to its conviction(dmg+dmg debuff), healing, def buffs and that +5 aoe ratio yeah.
Agreed, which is why I recommended builds that are capable of fighting more enemies at once.
Zealot also has a crit chance buff, a crit dmg debuff and a very strong aoe skill in FI.
And probably does not infer the reader that this conclusion was made by the village idiot through logic-defying methods.
And the best part is more important anyway.
The issue is that you intertwined it with a supposedly objective analysis of said performance.
He canât read how much your personal bias affected that conclusion, and can easily be misled into thinking itâs far worse solely because you canât stand aa builds.
Which is why I said subjective has a place, but you have to intentionally separate it from your objective reasoning.
Dude the post is right up there.
He wants to get a general idea, heâs not saying he wants to be informed by those who only have a general idea. (and even thatâs debatable)
Youâre giving advice all the same.
Itâs fair to criticize your advice for the sake of improving it, as is with all other advice.
And this is exactly what I am talking about, you donât listen to criticism. You donât even try to make corrections if youâre wrong, you parade the same old retired bullshit around as fact.
That is why youâre getting criticized continually beyond just the arguments.
132% x 1.6 (enhance) x 2 (build Capella) = 422% holy matk from aspergillum alone.
100% patk from default aa line.
Last rites +800 property atk or more? Depends on spr on gear and whether you lvl it or grab sacrament instead.
Again, youâre the one assuming one has to 100% focus on nothing but aa auto attacks. (aside of wheel ofc.)
And even that is moving the goalpost since zealot and druid can contribute to such a mentality just as well.
No, but they provide aoeâs that help deal with larger groups all the same while still allowing you to primarily focus on auto attacks.
Look ma, I learned a fancy word!
Save it for someone you could actually impress with that, not for an internet argument based on your own assumption of what âAA Clericâ means.
Chaplain as a class is literally focused on nothing but auto attacks.
Any builds it has will obviously incorporate auto attacks.
But apparently auto attacks are irrelevant to this topic nowâŠ
At best it would be off-topic, not subjective. Those are different things entirely.
Nah, thatâs just my snarky Dutch mentality going on.
Nor is it an ad hominem, since I even addressed your argument on the side.
It is solely a statement that your advice and credibility are worthless due said factors already named and your refusal to listen to criticism.
I would far prefer it if you at least tried to do your due diligence, or if you at least listened to criticism. Being smarter wouldnât hurt either, but thatâs a tall order.
Anyway, you get the point, Iâd prefer to spend less time on frivolous bullshit like this.
Auto-attack builds are something that I wish would die a miserable death, alas people want to hold down 1 button and think it is viableâŠ
For cleric your options for âauto-attack buildsâ are to include Chaplain OR Monk in the build.
OPINION ALERT
These skills are meant to supplement a build, not define it. Pick one, and then get classes with active skills. Auto-attack when there is nothing better to do skill-wise. If you want to get chaplain and monk, for the love of god please get the active skills in the monk tree and avoid double punch.
If you insist on making a cleric build that is centric to auto attacking, then focus on other classes that offer damage over time, so you can use those skills and go back to holding your AA button. These would be:
Zealot
Druid
Inquis
These 3 are the non-loony choices to supplement AA. With that in mind I would peg Inquis - Zealot - Chaplain as the best suited for club spammin.
Honestly guys I dont understand the last 40 paragraphs of venom towards AA builds. If you look at any of the public builds the meme chaplain and hawkeyes archer AA builds are amongst the top in views and likes and are highly played.
ToS is a casual game and many of us are here b/c we are sick of the 2 paragraph long rotations and 30min long 1HKO dps check encounters of Final Fantasy 14 and other popular games.
The meme chaplain is still perfectly viable and I have had zero issue using it and soloâng all my content, and with my Asio Mace aoe really isnt an issue.
Clearly asking anything on the forums was a mistake, please disregard the post and take the internet fights elsewhere, thank you.
What youâre asking for is outright counterproductive.
The whole point is that said type of people ignore any attempts to call them out elsewhere and want to post their opinions unchallenged and parade it around as advice.
If we donât call them out in these threads theyâll just step up the pace till they get bored enough to leave the game.
Ergo itâs a classic âyou canât break an omelet without breaking a few eggsâ idiom.
And 40 paragraphs? go easy on the hyperbole, others may still want to use it occasionally.
As Rem said, Chaplain and Monk are gonna be the prime candidates for AA in Re:Build but, just like now, you wonât get the most out of either if youâre just relying on auto-attacks.
The old meme Chap should still hold up. Cleric -> Whatever -> Chaplain -> Inq will perform much the same but with Aspergillum no longer being reliant on Aspersion youâve got some options. Personally, Iâd consider Druid for Lycanthropy or PD for more diverse support options.
Monk is a little different in that DPâs getting the Nak Muay treatment. It was always more filler than a primary DPS component and, IMO, thatâll be even more true when the changes come down. You could probably still pull it off but I wouldnât recommend it.
Donât worry about the strong opinions against AA builds. ToS is so heavily gear focused that almost anything can be viable with enough investment. If Re:Build works as intended, you shouldnât have anything to worry about.
AA cleric might not be the most solid choice in rebuild. If you want to solo CM. A few of the builds I planned for rebuild donât even include chap. Though they always have Diev, since the reworked owls hit them in a circle. Inqui is still a very solid choice but I wouldnât really take it anymore if your Aim is to AA. Inqui is skill centric and burst based. Burn is still nice but, there are other skills out there that can do the samething. Like PDâs BDS/Incinerate + pandemic combo. Those are the 2 classes I consider the most in rebuild for soloing cm as a cleric. Now that 3rd class circle is up to you. If you really want to AA go chap. I do not suggest monk for AA. they seem really weak in rebuild. They need more attack ratio.
Few builds Iâve thought of that might be efficient for solo cm in rebuild.
Paladin>PD>Diev.
PD>Diev> Zealot
PD>Diev>Inqui
PD>Diev>saddhu
For an AA centric build.
Chaplain>Zealot> Inqui.
And your build right now might not be the most efficient way for AA.
Based on a lot testing and resets, the best AA cleric build I got is.
Cleric1>Priest3>Chaplain>druid2>Inqui1>Zealot2
It clears cm5 in 12 minutes with 8.5k matk and frieno set. Melts bosses as well. Bec of blind faith. Your stats revolve around dex and SPR.
Why not krivis? I wouldnât sacrifice some aspd that I can get from pumping some dez and 1 additional attack line over a druids heal, damage, aoe and utility. Well thatâs it hope I helped.