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Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

I’ve been sitting on a problem for a few months now ever since Templar information came out. For RPG purposes, I’m aiming for Highlander 3 + Templar. The problem here is that I have 2 ranks in-between that I could not decide for.

So far I have ideas such as:

  • Petalsta + Fencer/Petalsta - this build seems to be bread’n’butter for PvE. Fencer adds in more sustained DPS (especially once Skyliner is nerfed. This has been planned well before 0cd Skyliner, and even then, Flac has a block boost that allows me up-time even through a boss-attack) and Petalsta is at least a core of the tank. Petalsta 2 is an option for greater mobbing ability, but I’m not too keen on it as I prefer Boss fights.
  • Corsair + Corsair/Petalsta - this build has more use in PvP than PvE. Hook compensates Highlander’s short range (compared to Cataphract and Archers) and would give my team something to focus fire. Jolly Roger helps out in PvE in grinds (and secretly finishing Templar quest. Heh.). I only need Corsair 1 for my needs so Petalsta is once again up for consideration.
  • Cataphract 2 - PvP, PvP, and PvP. Cataphract 2 gives me enough explosive speed to get into the range of my Sword strikes. Taking Steed Charge and Trot can take out squishies by surprise. There’s a lot of micro management here (knowing when to mount, dismount, use skills that auto-dismount etc) but I might just be able to make it work. PvE-wise, however, this is probably the worst option.

If I could actually build a competent guild, I’d want to focus on Boss Raids and GvG (large dungeons and all that, as long as the target are bosses). Even if we focus on Boss Raids first, with the way other Guilds can force PK our fort, I’d want some level of ability to defend our Fort.

So what can you suggest to me to fill the two ranks in-between Highlander and Templar?

PS:
RPG factor is heavy here, Highlander 3 is the only class focused on swordplay (one handed or two) and Templar is a lead. The template is heavily Arthurian.

tl;dr:
Fill 2 ranks in-between High 3 + Templar.

#2

Listen, just go with HighlanderC2 to Cata C3 then to Templar, if you want Highlander that badly.

#3

That’s actually another option I was considering. Although having Armor Break should help against Boss Raids though when coupled with Battle Orders. It’ll be something like (25 + 70~140 (boss armor)) * number of guild members for about 15s which, when timed well, can deal significant chunks of Boss HP. Similarly it’s not like I can use Cross Cut with wanton as a Cata 3 and dismounts would just cut my Trot prematurely, so I wouldn’t have 99% Trot uptime anyway.

#4

How about corsair+fencer? Looks pretty good for me.

#5

I haven’t actually thought of that, I’ll add it to the consideration pile, thanks!

#6

In this case you can also go with Pelta2 - Rode2 - Fencer2.

Be a superb tank, protect your team from all kinds of attacks and deal great damage via Fencer Pierce skills.

And if you go with Corsair and Fencer… probably High3 - Corsair2 - Fencer.
Rank 2 Sword doesn’t really give you much options.

#7

But I assume he wants specificly Templar build. Otherwise I’d also suggest corsair2 fencer build, my friend is going to use it and it looks great.

#8

Oops, forgot about that.

Let him go with High2 - Corsair2 and Fencer + Templar.

#9

I personally think, that High 3 is slightly better then Corsair 2, double weapon assaul is good, for sure, but Armor Break is very important for dual wielder.

C1 is enough for hook and Jolly Roger.

#10

It’s certainly not of an Arthurian mold, but boy does that path look tasty. Thanks~ That goes into my ever growing consideration pile then. Looks like this one would revolve less around using 2H swords and more of Rapier and Dagger yes? Also is close to a Pirate King mold. It’s a theme I never had even considered.

#11

Since he will be using off-hand weapon with Rapier, why not go al the way then? Reminder, that Fencer has a skill, which ignores Defence, when applying Pierce damage, so here you go.

@cid_nemo

You can also go more defensive way with Pelta, but if you gonna use off-hand… I don’t see much purpose in this, maybe situational. Yes, Rapier and Dagger, obviously.

#12

Yeah, Corsair+Fencer is probably the best corsair build over here RPG wise)

Actually, thinking about it, High 2 Corsair 2 Fencer may be an even better option, since you have a permanent(100% uptime at level 3 with proper rapier) pierce defense ignore on one of fencer skills and both knife and rapier deal pierce damage, I think(not sure about knife).

EDIT: Just posted it at the same time)

#13

@Autentist @Derael

I actually just put the High 2 Cor 2 Fencer in the Skill simulator, or attempted to, and it’s pretty much an invalid build. High 3 Cor 2 Fencer is possible, but I’d lose Templarship. (unless you’d tell me Corsair was moved to R4, it really isn’t possible)

It’s a sad, sad day. Good thing I have over a week now to think this through. Authentist’s High 2 Cata 3 actually just added points to my High 3 Cata 2 plan in the idea that it’s probably quite valuable anyway. I may not have 99% Trot Uptime, but I never had it anyway with the Highlander rotation/burst skills. Steed Charge is a mere 8s CD so I’d probably use that to close the gaps, slice things with my Highlander skills, mount then Trot away if things get hairy, or mount and Steed Charge to the next knave to be cut. (IE: Trot more of an escape than kite)

Cata actually has bonus points for being the closest one to Arthur (Arthur may have had a spear named Rhongomyniad) and Knighthood in general (mounted + lances)

I guess I’ll just grit my teeth and worry about not being able to mob later. I pretty much know Highlander, with Provoke 10 and Cross Guard, can actually hold bosses well through sheer DPS. Not as impressive as Swashbuckling, but it gets the job done. (I’ve basically done it before after all)

#14

Oh, yeah, I forgot that corsair is rank 5. That’s why my friend using High3 Cor2 Fen1)

Yet High3Cor1Fen1Temp1 is still good, though you won’t get DWA but you will get JR and Hook.

If you want to go GvG build then Swordsman3Cata3Templar is probably the best choice. Restrain works really well in PvP. Not sure how it sounds roleplay wise)

If you want to use 2H Sword build, then Corsair/Peltasta+Doppel+Templar is your choice.

#15

Damn it, I’m really forgetful today. Probably, lack of sleep.

Well then, go with Cata. But I don’t know why would you want to put points into Steed Charge, but not max Trot.

#16

I actually put in as much points as I can in Trot in this build.

The thing here is that I’d still use Cross Cut a lot with Skyliner as my burst damage (Full rotation includes Skull Swing at the top, with Vertical Slash either before or after Cross Cut + Skyliner). If I remember my mounted skill compatibility, I’d be demounted right as soon as I touched Cross Cut, which will cancel the Trot buff but not its cd. So a 15/15 Trot is actually useless in this style as only another Cata can chase me as I disengage (if I’m not peppered by CC, but then Trot 15 is just as useless) and I can’t rely on Trot to get me on top of a target all the time (because I’ll lose out on the ability to escape/kite after a dive)

Armor Break is also good against Boss raids, which is one of two things I want my guild to specialize in, so I’d prefer not to go without it. (actually I lean more on Boss Raids, I just can’t discount PvP due to the force PK nature of Guilds)

@Derael
If only Swordsman actually felt more like a Swordsman rather than just keeping up buffs (2~4 of them) and using AA to fill in gaps of skills while waiting for a Stun to proc (then Thrust to Bleed, finish with Double Slash) then I would heavily consider Swordsman 3. The thing is that Double Slash is basically the same, per point, as Skyliner (at least I calculated it before changes. With Double Slash gaining an edge due to critical attribute, could be different now with the new 15cd 3 charge Skyliner, need to recheck) and yet I need to rely on being with a Highlander who took Cross Cut to land that then I drop all three stacks of Double Slash, or a Stun from Restrain and land a Thrust before I could Double Slash.

I’ll still put that into consideration, Sword 3 Cata 3. It isn’t actually far off from the target archetype, just that base Sword could use a little more…teeth.

PS:

I just remembered, I could still go with my iCBT2 build of Highlander 3 Squire 2 for Templarhood, and it actually fits the Knight stereotype well in that Squireship is on the path of Knighthood. I just feel so…useless in PvE with it.

#17

Actually Restrain works with skills, that’s the main reason to get S3. You can stunlock people using Rush if you activate Restrain beforehand.

And yeah, double slash now is basically the same as skyliner (though skyliner deals much more damage on bleeding targets). Swordsman 3 is more benefical because you get nearly the same damage AND stun from restrain + full time pain barrier. Some more levels in Gung Ho and Concentrate will also help a bit. Overall Sword3 is one of the best PvP classes in swordsman tree, though it’s really bad in PvE.

#18

Doesn’t Restrain’s stun lasts a paltry 2s? At least I recall it only lasts that much. I’m aware it works with skills and I actually once thought of a High 3 Sword 3 build (thinking that Restrain checks on a per hit basis, and Highlander’s kit is full of multi-hits, however I discarded this build after the 0cd Skyliner buff, maybe I should reconsider it now).

I’ll play around with the Sword 3 path now and see where it lands me, Pain Barrier 15 could actually alleviate Highlander’s weakness to being kited by anything not hit by Staggered from Cross Guard, while Restrain would help keep things during the full combo (Skull Swing > Cross Cut > Skyliner > Double Slash > Crown/Vertical > Vertical)

#19

Yeah, it stuns for no more then 2s. But Rush for example hits more then 1 time per second. So with 40% chance it’s a stunlock with very high probability.

#20

so Restrain does a roll on every hit in a multi-hit skill? I may actually consider High 3 Sword 3 again if that’s the case. It might not be as powerful as Stun lock Rush, but I can defend our fort better better than picking Petalsta…