i don’t get the chance to play the game. so i have nothing to complain.
the only thing that worries me is the TOS community: there are too many crybabies and simple-minded omg!!!
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I stream when I can, if there is anything specific you would like me to try out let me know! I am currently running swordsman heading to squire. I am level 3 Peltsast atm (however you spell that class! haha)
i agree totaly, i hate browser games and phone games, cuz you give one click and your char begin to do things alone, i think ToS will be a great game, i wish i could get one key from that ppl leaving the game just because they dont like or think its too difficult, better luck next time xD.
Could you PM me a link to your stream? Interested in watching how Peltasta plays.
I haven’t planned for the game yet (since i can’t play anyway). But I’m quite interested in seeing cleric -priest route. I took a look at this route and it seems very useless…(as a attacker)
Try it out if you are interested though 
Sure I am on the way home I will send it to you then.
Actually, for the crybabies, new ones are coming in each day. Let’s brace ourselves for a whiner stampede.
Could you pm me a link to your stream? i dont have a beta key TT__TT
And so I though IMC asked testers to give feedback about game-play too. Purely opinions they might be but at least they put their time and effort into trying to explain their points.
It really disgust me how self-righteous, stupid, self-deluded and disrespectful you guys are. You are unable to see a complex problem (actually not so complex) so you just assume that people are complaining nonsense baselessly, you also don’t have enough respect for others so you just bash them as if they are lesser human beings compared to you. You don’t have the ability to discern different people with their different opinions so you just group everyone whose posts you don’t like into one single group then start talking ■■■■ about them. Sight like this is truly sad and depressing.
I bet you think you are really cool, smart, know how to do things better than others and all those shits. Well, to be honest I’m envy of you to have so much confidence and less care given to shame as well as self-awareness.
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Your focus always comes back to “Not everyone has the time to…” which is true, but don’t cater the entire game to them. I don’t have time either but I don’t want to hit max level in a week, then what else is there to do. People are calling me out and a few others for being disrespectful, I am merely being truthful and the truth hurts sometimes. If you cater to the casual player for a game like this, it will end just like RO did. A game that catches your attention for a week or so… and you never play it again because your are max level.
The purpose of games like ToS and RO is the journey of progression. Who you meet,what you find, and the community and friendships you make along the way.
But everyone is yelling “casual this, casual that” If you’re level 50 while someone is level 120 in the same amount of time, who cares, they have the time that you can’t put into it. The point of any game is to enjoy it, not just max level, if you want to just max level there are other games out there.
And so I though IMC asked testers to give feedback about game-play too. Purely opinions they might be but at least they put their time and effort into trying to explain their points.
My posts are opinions as well, I don’t know whats so disrespectful about that.
It really disgust me how self-righteous, stupid, self-deluded and disrespectful you guys are. You are unable to see a complex problem (actually not so complex) so you just assume that people are complaining nonsense baselessly, you also don’t have enough respect for others so you just bash them as if they are lesser human beings compared to you. You don’t have the ability to discern different people with their different opinions so you just group everyone whose posts you don’t like into one single group then start talking ■■■■ about them. Sight like this is truly sad and depressing.
People are complaining baselessly, the bottom line is, don’t punish the people who have time and can grind, by giving in to the casual mentality for a game, if it takes a person with time 5 days to get max level, what else do they get to do? While the casual player will take 30 days to accomplish the same feat if not more.
I bet you think you are really cool, smart, know how to do things better than others and all those shits. Well, to be honest I’m envy of you to have so much confidence and less care given to shame as well as self-awareness.
No, I am just a realist, and see how things are, if you don’t like how it is, that sucks, but hey I wish I had the same amount of time to play games like I used to, but I am not going to ask for them to make it easier for the sake of “I don’t have enough time to do X amount of game time.” The answer is enjoy the journey or find another game.
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And just to mention to everyone thinking i’m just pointing out things to point them out, I work 50+ hours a week, spend time with my loving wife who is thankfully a gamer as well, and hang out with friends outside of work and I have a 30 swordsman and a 45 archer. Are there people higher level than me, of course! More reason to walk around and talk to them and maybe learn something and area’s to help me in my quest to level.
You put in in a great way!
These kind of games aren’t trying to emulate the WoW formula; there isn’t an 8-month raid plan and dailies that need to be skinner-box’d that need to be rushed to in order to ‘enjoy’ it, the game is there to be played, not rushed through and wallowed in at the top.
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It’s not really valid to say you are just stated your opinions while you are indirectly bashing people, mocking them like they should use bot, shut up and go play another game.
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They are not complaining baselessly, if anything you saying this is baseless. People have been trying to explain in a very logical manner why this is a serious problem, using this guy’s post for an example:
There have been countless more posts trying to explain the problem like this, did you ever put any effort in reading and understanding before bashing them?
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How is that being a realist? If you stated your opinions in the open post on why you think the grinding isn’t a problem based on your real experience in the game and not assumption then I may or may not have a debate with you but I will never start bashing you personally like I did.
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Now back to the problem of the grinding, I and many others have tried to explain this countless times, I am so ■■■■■■■ tired to repeat everything again. At least I will try writing down some short points (yea I call them short but they ain’t because the problem is huge):
– This game is very different from RO, it’s linear, at least early on. You just do the main quest and follow it from map to map. At least in early game, each level range have one and only one map for them. So you have no freedom to explore and choose where you want to level. There is penalty for fighting monsters much higher level than you and the EXP from higher level is pretty low too compared to how harder they are. So every player being forced to grind on same places using same strategy which is mobbing and killing mobs as fast as possible. This also results in horrible KS’ing. There is no motive nor reward in exploring whatever. In early game there is nothing to do but grind, and every one grind using the same strategy on the same places. Skills become wasted because they ain’t good for grinding and if you can’t grind then you will never reach to a state where those skills are useful (in PVP for example). The grind kills the variety of character types, everyone just build their chars for maximum effectiveness in grinding. Also it will take very long till people reach to the higher ranks where the skills and character types become diversified and interesting. Those are the problem.
– Many have stated clearly that they don’t want to get rid of the grind, they want the EXP curve to change so that the grind will be for later in game, not very early like this. Currently it’s like you have to grind your novice for a few days in the novice school and nowhere else (because the game doesn’t allow you to get out). Then you finally get out and have to grind months upon months to finally get to the 2nd job on same maps with everyone else (because there are no where else to go). Can you imagine? And you know that when you reach 8x in RO (which might be hundreds of levels in ToS) you will finally be able to really explore the game, there will be lots of fun but dammit you have to grind your ass out first. Many players will quit before that! It is a wasted!
– If anything else you will be one of the most disappointed because of the grind. Let me stat it again, this game is very different from RO. It’s linear at least in early game, to start building your own journey, meeting vary different people with different roles, start adventure to far away places, etc, all those are contents in later in game. Right now to reach there you have to go through a hellish grind and nothing else to do.
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There are more about the problem but I’m so tired repeating everything over and over again.
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You creating thread like this help no one. See the attitude of your thread? People call others crybabies and stuffs and nothing else. How can this help the developers or anyone?
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You don’t own the community or the game. You should not tell others to not stat their negative experience about the game and go play something else. If anything you should do, that is trying to explain why you disagree with them, put your thoughts out in a logical manner and let the developers decide who to listen and listen to which extend.
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You have made a lot of assumptions. Like you said that if the developers listen to the mass then the core gamers will leave and the game will die? What do you base this on? Who are those core gamer you talked about? You? If anything you will be the one who will leave if they don’t change this ■■■■. As I said, this game isn’t like RO, there is no journey early on, no wandering from place to place, no sitting down with your friends when you are tired and start chit chat, it’s all about grinding like robots in the same places using the same strategy non stop. And what wrong with listening to the mass? You think you so called “core gamer” can support a game in this day and age and help those in charge feeding themselves and their families? If anyone the developers need it will be the mass. And your so called logic “if many people stating about a problem then the problem is not a problem and should not be fixed because there people are the mass and the mass is always wrong” is so twisted and stupid, sorry but I have to say that this is pure idiocy. If anything it’s safer to serious consider that there is a problem when many people have been saying so. After all these people are potential paying customers whose money feed the ones in charge and help on further developing the game.
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I am a hardcore RO player, a loyal fan of the game for life time. I grinded hours upon hours for 1% exp in RO and I am one of the people saying this grind in ToS is just wrong. The grinding in RO was enjoyable, it’s not in ToS. Don’t ■■■■■■■ think that you are superior than others because you are a RO players and they are not, that you know which is better for this game and they don’t. If anything RO players would find this grinding in ToS horrible because they have somewhat a concept of what is good grind to know that the grinding in ToS is nowhere to be called good and it should be fixed. ToS is not RO, don’t assume that it has the qualities RO had to make it a good grindy game.
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You are the one being disrespectful really. You didn’t even take any effort in trying to understand where the majority of these negative feedback come from and why. You talk that you are talking truth and the truth hurts? It is the other way around, these people and I are talking truth and try to explain to you why but because this doesn’t sound good to you, you just label this as baseless and wrong. All the things you said you wanted in ToS, I want these too no less than you but the problem is you are taking the whole thing wrong, from the very thing people are “complaining” to the reasons.
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Again, this game is not RO. Don’t use your knowledge of RO as a base for your points when we are talking about ToS.
- Grinding is not a problem if it blends well with the game contents and is enjoyable, if that is the case no one would complain and everyone would be happily grinding by now. But the grind in ToS not only doesn’t blend well with its contents but hinders the selling contents to appear to players, that why we say that it has to be fixed. Now this is a summary for the whole situation.
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I played RO since before the 2nd class was even release. RO was quite linear as well. The reason why it got so much map variety is because they had years to constantly add on new maps.
Same like ToS. The devs says they want to have ~3 maps per level range, so it will take them time to develop those maps along with the quest. Once those are done, the current grind will look meaningless because they can go to the other maps for their quest for exp.
Unfortunate we live in an era of gratification, being spoon-fed, and entitlement. There’s hardly anyone giving respect to the people who bring them entertainments.
Did you play ToS? In early game there is no “3 maps per level range”, only one. Yes, the devs said so, I read it too but now I believe they didn’t really mean that for the early game. The problem is to reach that diversity in contents you have to face a boring, hellish grind first.
In RO beta there are 6 stating towns, in ToS there is 1. Each town in RO has several low level maps around them and even far away from them, I am talking about RO when it was in beta. In ToS, when you go one map from the starting town (the town after you finished the tutorial), you end up in a 6x level map. No wandering around to find your favorite maps to level, at least not in early game.
Unfortunate we live in an era of gratification, being spoon-fed, and
entitlement. There's hardly anyone giving respect to the people who
bring them entertainments.
Stop this stupid ■■■■■■■ ■■■■ will you? I am getting so tired of this. I played RO as my only MMO until very recently, as I said countless time, I am very used to grinding, I grinded hours upon hours for only 1% exp and I am saying that the grind in ToS is bad. It is much worse than that in RO, feel much less rewarding.
Please stop pulling fact out of your asses please. I won’t be disrespectful if you stop this kind of talk. Don’t call people “spoon-feeded”, “lazy”, “crybabies” and shits in debating. You are baselessly insulting them.
There’s hardly anyone giving respect to the people who bring them entertainments.
Read all the threads about this problem, did you really see anyone being disrespectful toward the staffs? Only one person I saw can be considered as somewhat harsh directly to the staffs but he still took his time to put his thoughts out logically which a truly disrespectful person wouldn’t do. If anything because players care about the game and its future that they are trying to explain the situation (put aside the people who simply said “this sucks” and left without any explanation).
Most of the people are giving feedback and hope the staffs make change. The more serious this problem a person believes and the more care he has for the game, the more pushing the person may seem but that doesn’t mean he is being disrespectful. If anything OP is being disrespectful by mocking people, this just heat up the situation, making more personal arguments without any help to the staffs.
So your first two paragraphs are totally fine with me. You disagree with me and you explained your points, we have different opinions, I will have a debate with you but I would not attack you personally but then your third one makes me write this long post. You say people are disrespectful because they experienced something you don’t agree with. Isn’t this more like you being disrespectful toward the people?
The last paragraph is something I meant in general, not just ToS, hence why I use the term entertainment instead of ToS. I have a lot of hobbies, so I’m part of communities made up of fans who dedicate their work, with leecher bashing them. People constantly demanding thing instantly without being reasonable, etc.
Anyways, I’m not saying everyone fit the the last sentence, however, a majority of the vocal ones are. After participating in so many different type of community that suddenly get toxic demanding instant gratifications and unreasonable expectations, it’s not that surprising that I feel that way towards people online hiding behind their monitor in general. I don’t mean it as a malice insult.
well if you feel insult, I apologize, but it will not change my viewpoint on how people are online.
You know, it is easy to say “people are like this, like that” without actually stating which people so they can know that you are talking about them and defend themselves if needed. As you may be referring to the people who actually giving reasonable feedback and constructive criticism, the people who care for the game and hope it can get better (of course in their own opinions on what is better). Or you may be referring to those who often “This sucks! That sucks!” without any constructive explanation or a good will.
Well I only think that when giving criticism, you should stat it clear who you mean it to. To be honest, I have always been over-sensitive about these things and easily to get heated up. It seems like I misunderstood you somehow, if you are cool with my points and understand them then I am cool with yours too. My apologize.
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Who care about how people act online in general. We are in this community talking with each other so it’s normal to assume we are talking about each other. 