What if Sw-Pelt-High-High2/Hop-Rode3-Murm? Too rainbow?
Anyway, @Lostac do you think it’s worth it to invest much on a Sw-Pelt3-Rode3-Murm build? Skill attribute wise we know its gonna cost, but will it really be worth it? Would it excel on some PvE modes? Is it viable for WBs? ET?
Sorry if I got a lot of questions. I’m just trying to find an alternative Swordsman build. Already got my Goon2, Fencer3 and Doppel3. I’m still stuck with my High3-Shinobi as I can’t get the damn flower.
I thought we were talking about the classes before rod 3 shinobi murmillo?
When did pelt 3 come into the picture now?
it is much better to provide armor break for your SR or barb doppels on boss ET floors than you having 5 more seconds of PB, this totally contributes nothing other than a little more dps for “yourself”
You are comparing Sw2 vs Pelt 3 here, apples vs oranges
I added this to the bottom in case you missed it.
And I wrote this earlier:
any respectable ET group will bring a chrono with haste. This will replace your swash.
And you can’t ignore ET when u talk about PVE. After you reach 330, what other challenge is there to do for PVE besides ET?
I stopped investing on mine, you are kinda walking armor break and mob gathering guy with okay dps on et
maybe wait for what c2 murm has before fully investing on it
You don’t really bring that murm into et unless you have friends.
even cartar stroke can do more damage than your rank 8 bursts, further more you have to place debuffs to contest with cartar stroke from doppels, see how you already lose dps here
I only tried mine once and there was never an instance where I need that PB, swash actually helped more for a faster setup.
since you are always talking about chrono and possibly try hard setups, don’t forget about pass and diev statues for your PB. I play my doppel a lot with ONLY C1 Swordsman and my PB is up almost all the time.
almost forgot to say, don’t forget that the value of 5 more PB is different when you compare it with doppel/fencer VS murmillo
Maybe I should cool off on Swordsman, wait for Rank9 (if we ever get to that point) and play something from another classes.
I wanna play ET but I’m having a hard time making up a build that is not meta, and yes no friends to play with to experiment group composition. I hate what is meta right now.
Hmm, you could bring your doppel to my ET stack (if their 1 other friend is not on) i’ll try to get you in, but they do only 5-10floors which I understand because they don’t have kriv3 or cryo3 for 13f
I stopped playing with them because I’m cooling off the game myself other than saalus and 290 rush
So is your ausrine.
You also didn’t have swash on your doppel and you managed fine, didn’t you?
Swash is just a convenience thing at the end of the day.
Back on topic, OP wanted a rod 3 shinobi murmillo build, which is a burst DPS build. The only other area this build could shine is world bosses, however I don’t see much competition for blut and nuaele so it might be safe enough to get pelt 3 rod 3 instead for armor break. I just don’t see which area rod 3 shinobi murmillo is going to outperform any of the existing meta builds.
that’s where you are missing the point.
My doppel is a pure aoe dps and does VERY WELL with it, also very strong with single target.
Meanwhile murmillo c1 potential is locked. if you want to do good aoe damage to multiple monsters you have to get aoe ratio items, or a five hammer.
Getting sword c2 doesn’t really contribute more to that. Getting pelt on the other hand makes your life and your party easier.
Well some guys I know are inviting my Doppel to do atleast 5f ET, but the thing is I don’t like playing it now. 
If you had pelt in your doppel build you’re missing out on maximizing your dps potential through not getting high 1 for 2H sword crit attack attribute or extra 5 sec PB to maximize uptime. 5 secs is not a lot and you can probably live without it, but in a world of min-maxing 5 secs makes all the difference.
Monsters come walking towards you in ET or you go close with haste to round them up anyway. As I said, swash is a convenience thing, sometimes you don’t even grab the whole bunch with 1 swash and need to manually go pull the loose ones
I’ve mentioned this several times already but again, the value of getting 5PB on a fencer/goon/doppel is very different on a murm.
but if we are talking about 15 seconds more of PB, that’s something big to consider.
Well, I haven’t seen a HL3>Rod3>Murm yet
both HL3 and Pelt3 have armor break, you get ultra cartar stroke with your self DB, but you get no other buffs that improve cartar past that point
doppels have dov and can just get debuffs from other supports like lethargy or serpentine
The whole basis of the argument is flawed anyway, so it’s not worth going further on the choice for rank 2, although I still value an extra 5 secs on PB over swash/guardian. Murmillo is inferior for PVE and you wouldn’t bring it into ET in the first place. Murmillo is more of a PVP toon and you’d be stacking CON/HP in that case (swaaz has a video somewhere on youtube of how this works). If you’re using it in PVP you’d be doing SW3 Rod 3 corsair 1 murmillo as the meta build
I was thinking maybe Pelt2-High, or something like that. But I’m guessing no? Since I’ll lose armor break.
the reason I made a Pelt 3 > rod 3 > murm is to:
Have a very nice swash target count (very effective for et and grinding, but don’t get me wrong, another Cryo-chrono is better than murm IMO)
have occasional bursts via headbutt and scrutum (which is bad anyway because monsters are dead/half dead after I place my debuffs)
all this while having a support function via armor break
but in the end my doppel still outshines it even when it was still uninvested with only untranscended nulis and 50 cyclone attribute. I don’t even need to use cleave before cycloning monsters, they die pretty fast.
so you can make one now and wait for future potentials on the class.
I’m betting myself on pelt3 armor break+ swash because after seeing centaurus(probably mentioned this several times) on that R8 quest, I can already see 4k def monsters to balance vs transcendence
Evasion is still a thing in PvP. Even tho im full dex, i run into high evasion swordsman where it is possible to miss dethrone twice in a row and it really sucks. Tho to be fair, a murmillo prolly can not pull that amount of evasion off.
Hi everyone. Yesterday I got sick, so I have not read the topic discuss. I’m seeing that Murm is a bad option in the end. The strongest points of the class are almost useless for solo, and in a party a lot of other classes can make better. Going solo with high dps other Sowrdman’s classes appears to be far more to worth. I don’t know the meta SM builds, and I have loved the Murmillo skills, design and his proposal (of being a high tank class with good dps). But I’m quite loosing my intentions of play one. Lostac, you are most a SM player?