I would like to start a discussion about IMC’s gatcha cubes because here in brazil this practice is extremely regulated, if not illegal. Would not it be better to remove this type of product from the TP store, which deals with real money, at least from the SA server, so as not to generate legal uncertainty for the company and for the players who invested money in it? Sorry for my bad english, and I would be so gratefull if you could to enlighten this topic with your opinions.
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IMC will never remove these cubes, they make too much money.
The only people you can blame are the idiots that continue to buy them.
SA doesn’t only comprise on Brazil, and game servers are under international laws (if there any such thing), also, one knows that they buy if they want, it’s a part of the service not something forced or the only thing to buy.
If we follow by that logic, then all the mob should had a single item to drop instead of RNG.
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What are you talking about?
Lottery?
If yes, you are wrong.
If no, you are wrong too, because isn’t sold on brazillian territory.
See about PokerStars (as an example), these type of gambling is illegal on Brazil, but many brazillians can play, 'cause isn’t an brazillian operation, understood?
Footnote: Gacha isn’t lottery, you buy a product and has a chance to get something (like “Kinder Ovo”, and “Kinder Ovo” isn’t prohibited or illegal)
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Well, the problem is that the prize itself is earned through cash, different in the case of “Kinder Ovo” where the prize is a free gift, and what you really buy is chocolate. It would be different if IMC offered something guaranteed in the cube, and the rest would be a “free gift.” The problem is that both Steam has servers in Brazil, as well as a registered company, just as IMC claims to have servers in Brazil, a case diferent from PokerStars (don’t really know if its the case).
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The heck are you smoking? Kinder Ovo free? You pay for it and the stuff inside is completely random like the cubes here. lol
You are paying for something random in both cases.
I forgot to mention that in Brazil Gacha is legal too…
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Gambling might be prohibited by Brazilian law, but this isn’t really the case for a game that isn’t made by a Brazilian company. IMC is Corean, and even if they have servers here, that doesn’t necessarily mean they should adhere to Brazilian law for said server.
This is somewhat related to the issues with payment or reimbursement in ToS. If you buy TP and spend it, even if you want your money back, you can’t get it, regardless of Brazilian commerce laws (Código de Defesa do Consumidor). You agreed to the terms and conditions of ToS and Steam, and so that’s it.
This goes into the matter of international laws and regulations, which is a very foggy subject. Conventions and treaties are signed, but steam has its autonomy as an international company and as such Brazilian law doesn’t have much say in the matter, unless it’s something that goes against our constitution very strongly.
Also, they state the odds of getting each item in the cube, according to Chinese law, which had a strong position about web services in their country. Brazil still has a long way to go before such a position can be organized and enforced. If anything, making these odds clear might make it be no longer considered a gamble. This is different from, say, “bingo”. That game is random, so even if the odds are estimated, they can’t be precisely determined like here, where it has been programmed to behave in such a way, allowing no deviations.
Level up games would be so screwed if it was the case.
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As I said, I do not know exactly how the legislation on gatcha in Brazil is, but the video above is not from Brazil …
Well, I hope it has no consequences, because the justice here is usually very heavy, given the way you deal with whatsapp. What I mean is that of the many games I’ve seen implemented here in brazil, very few that lasted for some time used this gatcha model for paid services of the game, without at least some kind of guaranteed reward. Let’s hope this is not judicialized then …
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I honestly don’t feel IMC is at risk. The actions against Whatsapp were due to them not agreeing to a direct requests from the Brazilian government, concerning allowing police to have access to certain conversations and logs. This went against their own policy, and so they couldn’t cooperate.
The situation doesn’t translate to what is going on here at all. The odds of obtaining each item is shown by the groups in the official announcement, which makes me wonder if it even still counts as gambling. Sure, it’s a risk, but a calculated one with specific percentages, a thing that can’t be emulated in real life most of the time.
Also, IMC is covered by Steam policies as well, since it’s the provider of their service in our country. If IMC can’t handle Brazilian courts, I’m sure Steam can, if they are willing to.
The Blessed Cubes are out of the slipknot because you can exchange the stuff inside for badges and exchange those badges for the stuff you want/wanted, so you have some guaranteed result.
The real question is the jurisdical rating of such gacha stuff. The main problem is that online gambling is usually strictly prohibited or regulated, depending on the state.
Gacha is a kind of illegal gambling, since you can put in money, sell the resulting item for silver and sell the silver for real money [although this is against the Terms of Service of the game, it’s still possible and passively encouraged by gacha that has no redeeming feature (like e.g. the medal system) showcased with the Leticias Cube].
This could also be abused for money laundering purposes.
It all depends on the courts,judges and lawyers of the country;
if there’s a clever guy out there, he could possible sue every single MMORPG publisher for illegal online gambling activities.
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IMC doesnt have an office in NA or let alone SA. This is why they cant be prosecuted under Brazilian law.
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Funny thing that I just got from shopping and I saw two gachapon machines next to a kid park there.
what happened to you suing IMC?
The price of “Kinder Ovo” (or Kinder Surprise over on our side here) factors in the toy that is given, no matter how random it is. You are paying for both the toy and the chocolate.
IMC offers a 100% guaranteed item from the goddess/leticia cube, just that the random item may or may not be of worth to the player who open it. It is akin to opening your “Kinder Ovo” and found out that the toy you get isn’t worth it as you have 10x of the same toy at home, just like when you open something that isn’t of worth to you with goddess/leticia cube.
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The answer, dont let it be buried under all that other posts.
The reference is tad wrong.
“Kinder” is the chocolate brand of the Italian enterprise Ferrero,
who are specialized on producing “chocolate” in all forms (e.g. Nutella, Mon Cheri, Hanuta), so you buy the chocolate (which is always the same quality and quantity around the plastic cyclinder) and get a free random toy as a side-effect (pretty expensive chocolate, as you pay over 1 Euro for only 20 grams of low-grade industrial chocolate)…
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Why are you doing that again? What did they do to you? I never heard the reason.
What do you mean its the right thing to do? Like what specifically did they do. Did you get triple charged on something or you just having some buyers remorse?