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Lolopanther Staff vs Rod (Quick Review)

General Discussion
#1

Hello,

I got curious regarding this future decision.
The staff brings massive to the table without question.
However, its auto-cast animation is slower compared to the Rod.
(especially when run-casting

Rod gives you the opportunity for a offhand aswell.
And for this subject i picked Venom.
Which i find most effective for any wizard, in my opinion.

So lets calculate :slight_smile:

Lolopanther Rod + 15 & Venom

M.Attack - 334 + 250 = 584
Earth Property - 41
Poison Property - 178

Total M.Attack : 803 (686 on plate targets)
HP : 1,190 HP

Lolopanther Staff + 15

M.Attack - 434 + 250 = 684
Earth Property - 57
Holy Property - 104

Total M.Attack : 845
HP : 1,105 HP

Staff takes the lead by 42 M.Atk (159 on plate targets)

Now, i’m not sure how often you’ll auto cast at Lv.280
I don’t think 42 M.Atk makes much of a difference at that stage.

Both seems pretty equal, therefore a self preference.
PS. Im going with Rod/Venom! ;]

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#2

At that stage, giving only + 42 M.atk i’m all the way towards Rod + Venom, just because i can swap to a shield whenever i want for more survivability instead of being locked by a 2-hand weapon with no alternative (plus putting the staff + 15 will cost me ALOT).

The issues we have about using a staff is the fact that wizards can equip these +elemental damage itens which easily cover the gap beetween rod matk and staff matk. As the situation is right now, they should rework staffs bonuses and stuff so they can still be viable occasionally.

It should work the other way tbh, staff should always be better for overall damage, but having a Rod will make u more versatile and capable of still doing high damage with daggers plus switching into a more defensive mode with a shield or so.

#3

Hmm, im actually debating between staff and rod+venom now,
The hp increase stands equal.
And if 80% of all the mobs (270+) are plate based, i mean, thats a difference between 686 and 845.
That is actually quite abit.

And if they aren’t, staff still wins.
But ofcourse if you plan on improving your survivability, then a shield would fit perfectly.

So its a trade between 686matk vs 845matk,
Do i really wanna sacrifice all that just for the auto cast animation?
And do you even auto cast at all, at Lv.260+ when you got all your skills?
Filler skills should fill in for those situations.

#4

Can anyone above lv260ish state your opinion?
Are there lots of plate mobs?
Is it worth getting Venom+Rod, or the Staff for more Matk?

Do you auto cast as much after you unlocked most of your skills?

#5

I lol’d at +15
At the end of the day its poison vs holy.
I see a lot of dark monsters around than earth.

#6

Thanks for the reply!
Actually lolopanther is the only type of gear i find worthy spending golden anvils on.
And as you might already know, it requires the item to have 0 potential. So consider removing 2 first of all, due to unlocking the gem slots. Then you gotta fail atleast 11 times, its certain to reach 8-12 before thats even done.

What about the auto casting, will it be used as much?
And what about plate mobs, are there lots?

42 matk is 42 INT, but its also a flat number to your damage.
Using staff gets you most damage compared to anything else in the game, but its very close to the Rod, which has a quicker auto-cast animation.
What should i do? What would you do?
This debating is making me crazy, i can’t get convinced to pick any side here :confused:

And besides, what the heck is up with this?

Screenshot_20160522-064128.jpg1232×2461 1.37 MB

Screenshot_20160522-064210.jpg1346×2522 1.44 MB

Screenshot_20160522-064245.jpg1326×2485 1.42 MB

Screenshot_20160522-064034.jpg1293×2491 1.4 MB

Why do all the 2H weapons nearly have around 700ish damage with property attack included, while Staff stops at near 600?
Itd be perfectly understandable if it were 534 matk.
That would stand equal to the rest of the 2h weapons, and not closer to an 1h weapon… -_#

So what should i do here?
Rod/Venom or Staff?

Whats your decision regarding this choice?
Love to hear it, and explain why.

Please, convince me, lmao. :triumph:

#7

when i read this post. everything is translated into what should i go with? 40,119 hp and my average attack is 21,115 or go with 40,008 hp and my average attack is 21,250

its so incrementally small the difference is pointless and embarrassing to discuss

#8

the rod gives sp reg equivalent to 98 points in spirit, so you could redistribute all of you spr into int and con

#9

@brandoncotten
I love the exaggeration.
But the numbers you threw out is incorrect.
We’re not talking about 20k, we’re talking about 400.
100 matk is 1/4 of that, and certainly makes a difference.

But it all depends on the amount of mobs wearing what type of armors in the end for this to have any point, 41matk i can deal with but 159 just for a slightly slower animation, thats what i need some feedback on.

@Mikon, thanks for reply but i wouldn’t pick any spirit in the first place. This being 150 or 0 would have no effect on my decision :confused:

However, It’s very possible that wands gets released with subclasses in the near future. Which means that maxing a Rod would probably be for the best, saving a slot for an offhand.
It’d probably offer alot for a spellcaster.

#10

if this game does what every game before has ever done then having a staff would offer more raw dmg always… your 1 hands give you the other benefits. but should never trump raw dmg.

#11

That’s exactly what i want to believe, but in this case Staff isn’t near the other 2h weapons, its just slightly above 1h.

But i think i finally decided to go with Rod.
Incase wands shows up.

Imagine investing milions on upgrades and gems for a Staff, then Shadowmancer class shows up including wands.

#12

once we get a lvl increase, the next purple 320 weapon will probably better anyway

investing like 50 mil into upgrading a lolo weapon +15 is just a huge waste

#13

Hmm i agree to a certain point.
But thats an infinite loop, things will always be replaced by better things.

But thinking that way makes you unable and afraid to maximize anything :confused:

This is currently the end game gear, and its stats are way beyond the rest. And god knows when an expansion releases with increased level cap.

Might be two years from now.
With the information we know, i think its safe to spend some currency to maximize the best items.

Comparing it with the rest, lolopanther is the only gear worth maxing, it stops there.

But i get your point, perhaps maxing attributes is a better choice since its permanent effects.

#14

It appears that the Rod’s auto attack speed has decreased now,
I can’t see any difference between Rod & Staff now, making lolopanther staff a way better choice.

#15

lol’d at +15? Why not lol at having a lolopanther weapon in the first place? By the time anyone’s got lolopanther weapons they should have enough golden anvils to +15 it easily. AFAIK the weapon materials only drop from the 20th floor and nobody’s even gotten that far in kToS.

#16

Lolopanther has an Item level of 330. Trust me, very litle is going to be, truly, better than it. Even if the level cap does increase.

#17

Simply,

Magic never miss.

OP right? xD

#18

Hm.

When you fail with a Golden Anvil while above +10, the item’s reinforcement resets to +10, regardless of how high it currently is.

Tangent to the discussion.

#19

Right my point is that by the time anyone in iToS has farmed a lolopanther weapon they will have acquired literally infinite golden anvils and silver for enhancing already.