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Let's talk about PVP ranking

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#1

The PVP ranking takes your number of wins/losses and translate them into a score and rank you according to that score. But how much does it tell you about an individual skill?

You might be someone who is extremely lucky (i.e., you get teamed up with a good party) but has zero skills, but you can still end up in the top ranks, just because you got carried. Sure, if you are a great DPS you can definitely carry and then there is some meaning if you end up in one of the top ranks, but it still does not rule out the fact that there is a certain randomness to the ranking.

I suggest changing it to no. of kills (for people who do damage) and no. of assists (for support build players). Or some other better ideas people can come up with.

#2

How will the game interpret assists? I dunno if IMC can make it right - for now ranking doesnt even work so who cares?

#3

Being totally honest, even as a rank 5, if (when… sorry teammates) I screw up more often than not the team loses, even with good composition.

I haven’t seen a 4v5 where the team with 4 won, so the odds of being carried in over 65% of the matches (approx win rate for top100) are very slim.

That being said, you do need some luck to get good team compositions or the opponents not having them, but staying on top week after week proves you’re consistently supporting and/or carrying the teams you’re matched with.

#4

Nah. I can easly go from rank 7 place to 200+ in one session. Then go up to 10 rank in next session. Im support and i try to do everything in my power so my team wins/stays alive. But sometimes (really often) you get so weak team its sad.

People rush directly towards enemies, going stright into ground spells, ignoring Ausrine, even avoiding heal tiles. I personally rarely see smart team where people know other class skills and know how to use them.

Iv seen 4v5 won with 4 people. Iv been even in 3 man team who beat 5 people. Iv seen Squire 3 without Arrest. Iv seen yolo Alchemists etc. It’s really pure luck now.

BUT when i get good team it’s a blast. Cooperation, staying compact, using each other skills adventages - its really fun. Its also really rewarding for support when you see your team do what needs to be done and because of you can do it fast and smooth.

#5

it all depends if your team has Kino or not.

#6

“KDA - system” would be nice, along with player’s score to determine the best player in tos

#7

For a full suport this KDA sistem will be suck.
But in fact, carry teams with full suport build is hard

#8

They would have to take into consideration damage done, healing done, amount of CC used, amount of skills used that landed on enemy team and the level/rank of the players… and probably a host of other factors if you want ranks to have a more substantial meaning.

But this only works if teams are balanced class wise. 1 of each class on the team with an additional random class. However that only works if the classes are balanced to the point where each class has an equal chance of winning to losing.

So as of right now, Team Battle League Ranks are useless. Unless you want to see what the OP classes are.

#9

You can not be carried to the top 10, as has been said is extremely difficult to win with only four on the team.

I am currently the top 6 of Silute, was rank 6 in the period and the only archer to be there. At some point I was accused of being carried. Even if it were true, it remains a source of pride. If you are in the top 10 being carried, it means that you are a kind of talisman of victory and people should be happy to have you.

That also means the PVP “masters” are bad at winning, oh! the paradox! People that are carried wins while people that carry lost - that isn`t even possible.

Remember that those who talk ■■■■ in pvp is because it’s dead, who’s alive does not have time to talk ■■■■.

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#10

REVERSI BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

#11

get a wiz3 linker to 1 shot the entire team and/or crash them in the process lol

also don’t forget about the neets who can queue all 4 hours a day

#12

man it must be so impressive being in top 10 as a cleric, kino or exploiting linker lol

#13

I don’t quite understand your sarcasm. It doesn’t matter what class you play - even support if gets bad team won’t make any difference.

Being in top ranks means you got nice team. So if i’m support and im top rank it means nothing but if cata is top rank and he happens to most of the time be in my team - then it means something? Or did someone carry him? Or did he carry the support?

#14

I see some people leave the match in purpose when they are about to lose like kino in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=602v49Rc-3o
what will happen to their points? will they get penalized or not?

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#16

In my experience, there’s this trend:

From ranking reset every Monday, it’s quite easy for anyone to get to top10, mostly with luck (e.g. good party composition; getting teamed with skilled players; no one DCs or AFKs; etc).

As the days go by approaching the weekends where most players are online, it becomes evident that the meta PVP cleric and wiz builds will almost always return or rise to the top.

Sad truth for swordsmen and some archer builds.

Also, nearing the weekends, if you happen to drop out of the top 200, it’ll be extremely hard to rise up again because for some reason the matchmaker will put you into stupid compositions (e.g. more than one R5 in the team; more than 2 swordsman in the team; no cleric; no CC; etc.).

If you’re already in the top 50 by Friday and want to keep that rank before Monday reset, I’d advise not to join matches during the weekend especially when you’ve reached your 15-wins quota for the week unless of course you really need to rack up those 50 daily battle points badly. There’s just a lot of R5s and non-PVP-ready builds joining TBL at those times.

If you can carry the rest of your team 1v5 then good for you. In my experience, I’ve seen one or two cryokino who was able to do that — and they say that build was nerfed? lol

#17

This system is really suck for a full suport build, so, make some character who can do damage.

EDIT: Pls IMC build some premade pvp

#18

Hi mate, what do you mean by 15-win quota? Thanks

#19

When you win at least 15 matches over the week, you get bonus 300 battle points the week after that (after tuesday maintenance).