[Laugh Trip] Level 15 Earth Wave. Top Kek

[jynxie08]

huh? Lose one point onto another which invalidates the previous? Ok. Cataphract =/= Lancer they do their own things. Cataphract “break through and scatter enemy formations”, Lancer “uses strong anti-personnel skills”. Here’s the build you recommended for PVE Lancer right? Lancer may be a progression point for Cataphract but the same could be said for the other way around. We don’t know what skills lancer will get in future circles.

Semantic. Assuming Lancer have overheats that do not get in a way with Cataphract it also means having over heat on Earthwave will function the same way. Thats why your “stand still” is false.

Isn’t that an argument for Doppel + Non-Doppel? And not just Cataphract? Or better yet which does more damage: Full support Thauma + Falcon + Doppel + Other DPS or Falcon + Doppel + 2 x Other DPS?

Your argument is that “EW dont need an overheat or buff because it has +8AOE attack ratio and very fast cooldown”. which is false because lacking AOE attack ratio like that of dopels can be fixed with good party composition. Thats why fencer is viable in ET if you coupled it with 2 linkers/chronos. Can you do that with Cata? partying it with damage buffer like that of thauma to fix catas abysmal multipliers? If yes you can present here a proof of doing end game contents with Thauma + Cata carrying as DPS.

An attack to hinder an enemy is still offensive, but in terms of gameplay DPS is faster hence the name. Cryo offense is based on a skill with CD over a minute and requires the combo of 2/3 different classes, that is burst damage, which for some reason we are comparing to just cataphract…that I find funny. Cataphract doesn’t have any cool combo like that, maybe Lancer C2 / 3 will have some e.g. a skill that does more damage on knocked down enemies.

Thats why, because of that Cataphract is severely underpowered compared to example of Cryo having offense and defense. Lancer future dont matter because youre not a dev and arguing about something that is not tangible yet.

I meant it wouldn’t be an uber boss slaying skill with investment into STR.

Yes thats why Cata is left in the dark with other classes that have uber boss killing capabilities. Same can also be said when it comes to mobs kill speed.

Getting from point A to B with a swordsman and being decent at mobbing if I must sum the class and not the entirety of the build. Which for some reason we seem insistent on doing.

Yea, thats why tell me which PVE Cata shine on then.

[quote]Nothing that has been said up till now was about before patch, just that the class isn’t doing much in comparison to other classes, while shade’s being thrown my way, insinuating that I don’t have a clue what I’m talking about. The closest that has gotten to comparing now to the previous combat system is using Earth Wave 15 which used to be great but is now outshone by other skills.
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Im not throwing shades at you but questioning your argument on Cataphract. Cata being underwhelwing is tested already. Sure you can make the class great with extremely good investment like Trans 9 or higher. However that can also be said to other classes and with the same investment, Cataphract will fall behind against them.

[Noxot]

tickle wave needs a buff.

p.s. hahahaha that was with +25% strike damage.

[Wynntastic]

Playing cata pve haha xd das funny meme

[shenhuehue]

Catas best dmg skill is double slash untill R8…

[flyawaychen]

And anyone who’ve tried lancer should have the same feeling, it’s an uncompleted or rushed out product. All skills except for the dashing one are just a single thrust animation. By looking at the animation itself you can’t even tell which skill is which. It is boring even tho it is strong.

[mugiwara_kaizoku]

im using +10 cripple. but whatever. my corsair’s hexen dropper level 5 deals more than this. my double slash deals more damage than this. who the ■■■■ cares about 8 aoe attack ratio and knockback when im equipping x2 gladiator bands. also the SP cost takes as much as 2/10th of your total SP. still havent answered the question why they have to charge cast cata skills when they’re all useless.

[pollitochikn]

When you are a cataphract 3 and your main skill its double slash you know that there’s something wrong with the class

[herflikster]

Most of the charge and “character locking” skill like cartor strike, catapharant skills, pounce etc. need buffs. IMC in remake didnt calculate well the dmg the skill should do, but at least they tried.

Basicaly imo all skills that lock you in place/animation should deal 50% more dmg than burst skills of same caliber for each second they lock you.