I want to play lancer as main.
Want to try this build : https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#11337778hh..163a4a64.11213f435a8a65.152535.1231415a6a7185
My focus is pvp but if i invest everything in this char can i play velc with it?
I mean its tanky with guardian 10 and crush + quintaint and do dmg or am i wrong?
And how much hurt the loss of pb 15?
Full plate 100 str rest con?
Guardian doesnt have a weapon requirement
I would love to have Hop c1-c2 in this build but for pvp i think i need corsair to easier land the crush combo.
Well i just go and try it out if it doesnt work for velc i still have a goon with a T8 1h spear.
I main lancer and use this build. It can run velco, in fact my velco team have 2 lancers as main DPS.
In PVP you may need to practice manual swapping shield and pike, it is an excellent physical tank that can maximize both block and dodge. But as of now there are barely any physical DPS in SEA TBL, still the double PDEF+MDEF from guardian is great.
The max pain barrier is a huge loss but the trade off is worth it, you just need to time pain barrier wisely or use gaziing golem cards as an alternative for PVE since it’s effect doesn’t trigger on player attacks.
Stat allocation is subjective and may depend on gear stats, though you might want to hit the 100K+ mark for HP. I am currently full CON w/ solmiki leather set, I plan to swap to velco plate/cloth gears and adapt stats accordingly.
PS: Swordsman is a hard class to play and the game is very biased towards ranged classes. But do not get discouraged, it is a fun class despite the disadvantages.
Well i dont like magic cls anyway.
I think i start with 100 str (there are stat reset potions anyway)
Untill i have a good feeling about it.
For pve do i need aoe ratio gear?
Phada/Headgear?
Masinos pike gives aoe ratio too but i was very unlucky with masino gear untill now^^"
Yes, crush and quintain uses default aoe attack ratio, so aoe attack ratio headgears + squire food will help alot hitting additional 1-3 targets.
Masinios Pike is a long shot, +16-21 Primus Raffye.Pike is easier to get or buy, anyway it will be temporary since you probably will make Velco Pike sooner or later. Trans10 and decent attribute level is a must.
masinios pike is usually a waste of money in comparison to primus raffye pike. many good primus pikes sit on market forever
for pvp your local meta highly depends on what server you’re in
for example: klaipeda is dead
japan is 50% cleric 25% wizard 15% lancer 10% other
pre velcoffer, most lancers run 4set leather then high con armor. when you can manage the accuracy, you want to eventually switch to full con. there aren’t many people running around with high evasion generally (except some telsiai lancers 
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this is my current item build because i won’t run velcoffer
i have no trans on armors but also using guardian 10.
HR = accuracy
DR = evasion
i have about 172k HP (cause bad con roll on spear) and 200k HP with equipment swap for shield mode
my evasion is low since i didn’t focus on stacking it
i would suggest don’t ignore item build decisions, they’re an important part of choices in pvp.
Well 100 str+ rest con is my start build to test around.
And im sure Fedimian pvp is even more dead then klai pvp ^^
Its stupid but i like how the masinos pike looks ^^
The Raffye pike looks cheap somehow… but i guess i try to get a cheap one to +16.
With guardian lvl 10(11) i thought plate armor would be the best.
Plate&Cloth mixed would be better?
nah klai pvp is less than 6 people queuing. the rest are filler players who are irrelevant
its a problem of maximizing CON rather than defense.
plate only helps with physical but there are usually no physical threats in meta other than lancers. this depends on your server, but most other classes don’t have enough blockpen
raw CON values beat defense right now, and if you can switch to shield then most physical dmg threats you will be able to block anyway (everyone except other lancers). CON for HP, block, and heal bonus
then the only other threats are burst from magic
and zealot blindfaith
anyway sounds like you dont have to worry about choice of gear then, just go with whatever you want
Solmiki Accessories (leather)
Solmiki Leather Gloves
Solmiki Cloth Armor or Primus Irellis Robe w/ (str+con)
Primus Irellis Pants w/ (str+con)
Primus Irellis Boots w/ (str+con)
at least trans 6 for armors, don’t trans accessories.
With frostlord nerf meta is bound to somehow change, archers (specially musketeers) will start popping again so don’t overlook accuracy.
What about lancer’s cards, any suggestions? I was using glass mole, but I am not so sure it’s the best option.
Please share card suggestions for all colors
red: glassmole
green: blut or netherborvine
blue: zaura or nuaele
purple: velorchard , yeti , dullahan or gazing golem
** I personally use netherbovine, nuaele, and velorchard
** gazing golem’s pain barrier effect doesn;t trigger in pvp the last time i checked
It procs if summons/pets hit you. Still pretty much useless there.
BUMP , cause i got some questions regarding cata-lancer build
i just got back after around half a year break, i saw some old patch notes saying cata got boosted
i played my lancer a while ago and i dont notice any changes aside from getting a new skill( cata )
the dps capabilities of cataphract is still the shittiest imo, not even 1 skill that can do a real dmg.
my dps is soo poor i feel bad for people i team up with in dungeons and CM.
im using sw3-cata3-drag-lancer2 build, i make lancer as a pvp char but i also wanted it to be efficient in pve. other classes are doing so well now , why are swordsmans left behind ?
Cata is completely useless damage wise (disconsidering acrobatic mount buff). Ppl usually go for cata3 because of trot and the potential cc you can get, it’s damage simply sucks. It’s hard to even find a class with so poor damage considering you invest 3 circles on it (pyromancer 3 is a god of damage if you compare with similar swordies ranks).
I don’t recommend playing lancer on pve, maybe only bossing (some ppl say they can run velcoffer with it tho). I had a +12 Masinios pike, trans 5, 5 lvl 7 red gems and it was horrible to clear a single room from 300 dg, which is easily doable with other classes with similar weapons.
I also don’t recommend playing Lancer on pvp (if you aim to be competitive), unless you can invest a lot. It takes a lot of play skill and godly equips to be relevant in pvp as this class. It hurts so much to give up on my favorite class, but I don’t have either the money or the time to build a super strong Lancer. It’s so much easier and silver friendly to build a psychokino (sage/FF) - super op control, damage and mobility - or maybe a Zealot - “true damage” while on bllind faith and cc imunity if you take plague doc.
Well, you can disconsider my “rant” if you want, some things can be modified when rank 10 hits, who knows. My impression is: if you want to have a better expectation on pvp paying sword, build a Retiarius (or even a Dragoon 3) and let the Lancer for the whales.
Retebuild:
Sw3>pelt2>corsair2>Rete C3
I think its the most Optimal build for pvp rete and will do fine in pve too.
Or Goon3>rete.
New Lancer Skill just dont look strong for pve.
ITs a shame would be so easy to give lancer some aoe skills and i dont see the reason why not Q_Q
Pve is a huge Drawback for lancer sometimes you feel realy helpless with your low % cata skills xD
for classes that are made to excell in pvp, these swordsman sucks big balls
i plan on trying hoplite-corsair-rete, maybe replace a circle of rete w/shinobi , cause bunshin now works on alot of corsair skills.
any feedbacks on rete cause i havent seen much of them around, how are they in pve ?
If you want more utility on pve, take shinobi path. If you want to be more effective on pvp, take nak muay or hoplite 3 path (imo). Rete gameplay is not optmal for pve, but it’s pretty decent and fun: you can mob nicely due your rete (or/and bunshins) and destroy bosses with trident finish
Hop3 gives 25% more dmg against medium sized enemys (PvP)
IF you go Hop3+Rete you dont have many skills to use and hopskills are Prety bad.
Corsair skills are better and pierce too and hook gives a pierce debuff with rete.
Pelt2 gives you alot of surviability guardian 10 is too good.
And sw3 or you get knocked down the whole time.
Thats why i think Sw3>Pelt2>Hop2 or corsair2>Rete3.(Corsair is better)
I wouldnt skip future Rete C3 too the newskill is way too good ^^
I use a Hop/Dop variation of CataLancer, but you should be able to clear most a room within the 30 seconds of Acrobatic Mount.
Then again, I had 70 Crush and 100 Quintain. Also, 100 Rush is still terrible.
With +13 Masi no trans, I was able to hit damage cap on the 300 boss with Crit. With trans 10, I was able to cap without crit.
CataLancer is made for bosser. For normal killing it’s very meh, even when fully funded. You can’t really do both PvM and PvP without being bad at both.