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Lack of Tank Skills in Swordsman Tree

Class and Rank Swordsman
#9

Ah i didn’t know that, but i think it will only worth if we pick C2 at least huh?

One thing i noticed is, that when there are more than 1 swordie in the group, and generally some DPS take pelt C1 just for SB aggro, they use it, and it gets even worse when they have provoke attribute, it takes all of our aggro right away because it overwrite ours.

No common sense at all, i mean, if you see a real tank in the group, avoid using aggroing, turn off the attribute so it don’t turn into a mess.

I have a hard time when i get paired with other swordies, and worst of all, they die so fast.

#10

I feel that hold mobs is useless so C1 for hold Bosses are better.

The problem with that is most of Swordsman in this game are retarded. That’s why in the begging of the dg or mission I try to debate to know who is going to tank.

#11

Yeah, i was thinking in more of utility for trash mob that run wild or some imbecile that lure unnecessary stuff and end up killing the whole group because of that lol.

Sometimes that work, most don’t, as you said, most are retarded, they think that they can tank anything in a dungeon as long as they can tank in the fields.

Well i leave them to their own devices and wait the results while laughing at the back lol. When ■■■■ get out of control i use SB to try and overcome the problem.

#12

If the other dps swordman who is using there awesomesauce pelt 1 swashbuckling + provoke, let them have the aggro. Watch as the group starts taking massive damage as the retardo starts hopping in circles so the boss fires off its cone attack in many directions… always exciting.

I made 2 tanks leveling them side by side. Pelt 3 squire 1 soon fencer 2. Pelt 2 rod 2 which is on hold to see what happens with rod buffs, may go fencer 2 as well. Rod has way too many single target skills from what I’ve noticed. Most dont work on bosses that ive seen? Slithering isnt that great to require 2 circles. Want to like Rod but I dunno.

Wanted to pick either armor break or strike damage buff, went with armor break for now since it can help more classes since not everyone has strike damage.

#13

Yeah, there are some classes that look so out of what they seem to be.

#14

I’d argue and say

Swordsman>Peltasta3>???>Doppel>Fencer

Is not far behind, if not even better.
It is true that a cata has HP/Mdef/def/eva bonus, Hp being the significant bonus, However with Peltasta3 you can set boss defense to 0 (2 overheat)
who wouldnt want a party with full damage.

Rolling fencer grants you access to 50% Evasion buff.
Having Doppel in your build offers you 70% CC Resistance(Cyclone attribute)

Another great synergy to take note of is Fencer + Doppel
As fencer youre able to boost slash damage by 50%(correct me if im wrong)

Which means even if you go for a tank with full con, youd still have damage potential.

If we get the barbarian change you could insert Barbarian in the “???” for even more slash damage bonus! :smiley:
However, if that happens its likely we would get 70% CC resist attriibute for
Cata3 too (Rush skill)

I guess its up to you if you want to be a tank with damage or a tank with mobility, pick your flavor.:+1:

#15

@gtsdart1969

We’re think the same, my 2nd tank is Pelt 3 Squire 1 soon Fencer and I my 3rd is Pelt 1 Barb 2 Rod 2 Doppl, focus on CC and PVP.

@Ginbei

That build was my second idea for the iToS the ??? was going to be Corsair, but I dropped for Squire, mainly because I’ve some many other alt to level so she can ear more money afk. But the problem that I found is that if you want to have an armor break build is better to go for this, my 6th tank, It’s basically a debuff tank:

And that’s my point in this thread, every build that have Pelt C2/C3 you have better option. Those build are mainly to pull tons of mobs and they lack the defense buffs to do it better.

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#17

I wouldn’t suggest going for a Full Dex in Hop, unless you are going for only one circle, because Finestra gives % Block and C.R. so I don’t feel like Hop is the best fit for a evasion tank.

If you want a Full Dex/evasion tank then you might want to try Fencer with Pelt.

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#19

You don’t need full Dex in cata, since you have mobility you can manully dodge most attacks, you going to gain more profit going a hybrid Str:Dex

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#21

IMHO the most efficient way to play any class is to have fun and have a party of friends. But why focus so much in Full Dex?

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#23

You don’t need to do full tank if can keep aggro on mob and boss.

Better kill faster.

I’m think i put my Hoplite+Shinobi build result at here.

Note:
This build just for grind and lv100 mission only.
Better get Sage Wall for magic defence.

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This is lv 51% Mijin combo with Spear Lunge damage.

Mijin no Jutsu don’t have limit AoE Attack Ratio so you can hit all mob.
The AoE range same as Spear Throw.

You got two way to keeping aggro, spam spell or burst damage.
( i not recommend spam spell because other class still over take your aggro very easy.)

I will explain burst damage aggro by my FEELING.

Burst damage aggro testing:

Top damage player 5 point aggro a sec
2nd damage player 4 point aggro a sec
Average DD player 3 point aggro a sec
Low damage player 2 point aggro a sec
Very low DD player 1 point aggro a sec

As a tank you can’t do Top DD but you at least need Average DD for keep aggro.

Using Spear Lunge combo Mijin, and Swordsman Increases provocation 50% help alot went you burst aggro.
Mijin and Spear Throw also needed Pain Barrier.

At lv100 mission not even Musketeer Snipe, or other Swordsman can’t take away your aggro.

Mijin Consumes 4500 HP not gonna be a problem anyway, if you got high hp or Cleric.
Most of those grind and lv100 mission just need press C if in danger.

The bigger problem will be Ninjutsu Bombs cost.

( actually i hate tank that moving alot because they make teammate in danger…)

#24

But the most problem right that I feel is that you can’t kill mobs fast you went with Pelt 3(at least I’m not aware or any build right now).

Can you really test this? Because if this is true I’ll grab Shinobi in most of my build.

#25

i’m solo full run lv 50 and lv 90 dungeon.

Both got enough mob for testing Mijin no Jutsu.

#26

I like it!

But… If i may ask,

Why take SW2? SW1 should be enough?
And, maybe stay at Hop2 for just Spear Lunge? Spear Throw, 10% block and 50 crit rating is alright, but I’m sure there are better things?

Instead of those two you could go Pelt3 for Langort (pierce), armor break and massive taunt since Mijin has no AoE limit?
Corsair2 for DWA and Hexen.
Maybe even SW3 for Double Slash clones?

#27

Once, a smart man told me all SW need shinobi for that burst damage.

Okay that a joke only.:wink:

I take SW2 just for Pain Barrier, and it badly needed as a tank.

Other build you need test it by yourself.
That fit your playstyle.:slight_smile:

#28

Thanks for the information, I’ll prob change my builds around that. :slight_smile: