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KToS General Thread v4.0

I frankly prefer removing more defense instead of mana cost. Do it like Doppel where it increases damage received, dunno

Epee Garde should be a stance frankly, a stance where you have 100% Epee and 0% Garde.

Tiger hunter looks more focused in PvP than PvE, they add block pen in the skills and surprise atk is now single target, but the damage skills do more damage now so can be good in PvE aswell and still need musketeer to be a real class -_-

Archers can dash during battle now

Isn’t that kinda big?

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BUFF HACKAPELL AGAIN :sad:

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So they are finally giving a nerf to Tao-Chrono. It’s a shame the nerf is for Chrono instead of Tao, but it’s a step in the right direction I guess.

The damage buffs are nice, but I think the Aiming Shot one was too much. It’s going to hit for 3507% with the normal enhance attribute maxed…

I’m also happy about the Quickdraw damage buff, but for a QUICKdraw, that skill isn’t quick at all.

Archers being able to sprint in combat is also cool, but mounted Scouts still can’t sprint at all :tired:

And GG THEY ACTUALLY BUFFED BRICK SMASH. Increased range and animation speed is super nice, but the damage still sucks, so I doubt anyone many people will use it

Yes, kite them to dead…

Sorry to bug you, but I can’t find where they said they’re nerfing chrono. What’s the nerf?

We dont know what the nerf is, just that it is coming. On today’s developer blog:

(Bad google translate btw, for some reason it translated Taoist as Ninja lol)

:skull_and_crossbones:Nice Corsair changes!:skull_and_crossbones:

But… i have few questions:
what about the mainhand’s damage in HD and DD? completely removed in favor of 100% offhand?

New Double Weapon Assault will be a stance vs button mashing?

Will all the new Jolly Roger attributes stay active or we’ll have to choose just one?

and how the new Brutallity SP cost will affect the already sp hungry scouts?:hot_face:

and final: they really changed 7 sec of bleed for just 1 sec silence?:rofl:

Anybody seen or knows that the Hunter attribute actually does? I know it doubles hunter effects when wearing leather, but what does that actually entail?

since i’m also a corsair fan i would like do give my 2cents and overall review of the buffs too and i would like to use your questions as starting point ,so pardon me:

i’m very happy with knowledge that the class is being buffed, i still keep my corsair for 2-3 years already, because he had the concept of “dual wield” and is something i love in mmo’s, but with recente changes made me put more or less a meme build on him>enchant corsair thauma/assasin< (change depending on my mood with all those resets we receive every so often).
i use that meme build because of the dual wield DWA.!
so going on the changes:

About HD and DD this is really hard to tell; maybe they really “only” have now 100% of off hand but since google trans is confusing we can speculate that they only showed the 100% of offhand because the main hand stayed the same, but i won’t put my coins on this, i think they really changed to “only” 100% offhand.

DWA do not think it changed the way it’s attacks, it only stated that it got a lvl 1 max and because of that the damage scaling was also changed to reflect it, at 105% from level 1.
So it should still needs the button smashing what is BAD, since WE know is possible to make stance changing skills, it should not be hard for example to give us the form similar as stances double punch and allows us to simple press one button.

brutality is 30 sp per 5 sec for a 8+4% per level=48% at max level (max lvl 10), so a 360 sp at minute or 90 SP per mana potion from alchemist at each CD, this is little more of 4% of the total SP given by the pot, it is not enough to create too much problems.
Using skill on the other hand would still be a pain in the ass. (I think imc is milking the pot use just to launch a new premium item that uses AUTO POT, after all is becoming common having a pet fairy friendly following you around and using pots for you in the mmo genre).

Joly that received the biggest and super OP buff, i do not think the imc will keep it at this level:
once you have a thauma in your arsenal or someone to buff you, the damage given at max level will be 60% at 1 minute CD with 35 second’s duration of the buff, but this is not where the problem lies, the problem comes when you mix it up with linker and enchant together with THAUMA, enchanter is pretty comum choice for some other scout friends and with him alone buffing you, it would result in a 60 seconds fever time with 1 minute cd from the flag, so we would have the downtime “only” for the time of reaching fever time, and in today’s game reaching is not a problem, so we would have:
60% increase damage + 10 movement speed + 10% critical damage and 10% minimum critical rate at more or less 100% uptime.
and there is more: with linker you can increase the bonus of critical rate and damage and duration as well (but with google translation it seems to indicate that “only” the corsair can gain this bonus) where the other two seems to be party wide.
Now once we add brutality in the mix that is giving 8+40% at max level:
more than 100% damage increase, overall i’m not sure if the 60% + 48% from brutality would be plus with each other since i do not know in deep the current damage formula but even if it’s not 100% it should still be pretty close to 100% damage increase , where 60% is pure physical and magic damage (so it’s for everyone) and brutality is for scout + swordsmans with a extra 48%, making corsair the super party friend even if you are a magic based or a physical based class.

About the HOOK skill, it have literal ages since i have used it because as i said before i’m using my corsair more in a meme-pve build so there is no need for it, i do not even have points in the current corsair but by the description i think it should be one sec silence per pull, since it have been ages i have used it i do not remember if in today skill we applies the buff in every “pull” on “only” on the last “pull”, so if we apply bleed on every pull and it refreshes itself with every new pull, the skill normally gives a little more than 3 pulls if the target is far from you, so is 3-4 sec of silence and is good enough for team fights.

overall; corsair is severe lacking points for his own skills, since flag and brutality is a must have, flag could be thrown away “Only” if you are a solo corsair players and does not have linker-thauma-enchant in the build since would be hard to get buffs from those classes to synergy flag if you are playing solo.

so we have :
flag+brutality = 25 points; both impale and quick and dead 10= 35 points
leaving us with 10 points for DD,hexan who also received a super buff at close to 2000% at max level, and hook and keel
about quick and dead or impale dagger is a must have with today’s buff and i say this because in today’s tos is hard to see a players with only one character, so i do not believe that anyone does not have the other weapon laying around in your account but even if you are only a “one character guy” as MAIN dagger or MAIN pistol:is not hard to get even a lvl 400 with trans from drop’s on the market and use both skills since they have a very good % with the buff with more than 2400% with each overheat and both of them have two, so 10k%

And 10 point for them is a tough choice, we can not even MAX hexen if we are at pve only corsair.

Ps: all % given here is without attributes .

conclusion: well is a good day to be a corsair after those buffs, the weak of the class of lacking points in still there and this have not changed, what it makes hard for players who like the class for his own ability than his ability of helping others, so if someone for example throw away flag’s because he does not like the mechanic (like me) in favor of hexan+dust devil+ quick and dead and impale, he would receive a lot of complains from everyone and maybe even be kicked from parties given how strong flag is at this new buff.
So yeah i think i will still keep my meme corsair as meme because i do not like flag and flag will be a must have after todays buff if we want to be accepted in party play.

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So they’re going to nerf Sheriff’s redemption’s evasion to no longer be a perfect evasion. I guess that’s fair in the sense that ranged scouts have better survivability than melee scouts, but I really would rather have had melee survivability be brought up to par. Perfect evasion didn’t even feel like such a terrible thing for the game when a bunch of classes have perfect accuracy attacks that negate it (looking at you, musketeers and shadowmancers). There is also a bunch of CC that doesn’t care about perfect evasion and CCs you anyway until the evasion runs out… so I don’t really see why this change is truly necessary. There’s a bunch of counters in the game as it is.

Killing perfect evasion to give us an excuse to build evasion seems so backwards. Evasion just isn’t a good enough stat.

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I have say this too many times before but… with the Rogue buff (evasion lol) I reach around 5k evasion and with that I still being hit a lot (I guess the cap is 50% max), so just 100% extra evasion is useless, they just kill redemption u_u

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Then the monk realizes they are in a hall of mirrors lmao.

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There’s more classes doing PvP than Musketeer and Shadowmancer.
Scouts can spam iframes since IMC haven’t fixed that sh*t still.

I have stated it many times, but PvP shouldn’t be a thing where people have to play “X” class to PvP or they get f*cked. If that’s the case, then Gem feud will die just like TBL and the whole GvG scene.

Make it so everyone enjoy PvP on their favorite classes rather than forcing people to play “X” to counter “Y”. This is not Dota2.

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PVP in any game has some classes be better against some than others. Rock paper scissors and counters is a fundamental of balancing PVP in any game, it has nothing to do with Dota.

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Meanwhile I’m like trying to remind people that while Monk will be decent due to 1 Arts Attribute, nothing else about Monk’s skill-set is changed/buffed AKA Monk is still the same utter garbage it had always been until they get that 1 attribute, and yet the spike in players wanting to make Monk in current patch …

Monk simply went from “AVOID THIS CLASS AT ALL COSTS” to “AVOID THIS CLASS UNTIL YOU GET MONK ARTS”.

:haha:

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Cannon-kun you forgot about wugu dot + arts + wastrel cannon ichor

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agree but right now theres no counter to the class “the guy” plays they nerf its only counter (one inch punch) they nerf sheriff (R.I.P.) scount, and miko its a meme idk what else can remove that godly awful skill other than somehow wacking the guy for 10 minutes straigh until he runs out of sp just so he can tp drink pot recast