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Krivis post nerf

Class and Rank Cleric
#1

Hi clerics,

does anyone else feels that Zaibas is utter trash now?
It ticks for less then 100% matt per tick and being Krivis 2 it does 14 ticks.

I am currently playing a nuke Cleric build and I feel I can’t keep my K2 in it.

My possession ticks for 3k5 21 times while Zaibas ticks for 1k4 14 times… and it cost a crapton of SP!
Astral body explosion now deals ridiculus amount of dmg, carnivory now has an aoe attack ratio.

Daino is nice, but I could buy scrolls. Divine stigma gives me a 5% dmgboost that I can’t have 100% uptime on it.

Anyone else feels it really underwhelming?

I think I will change my c1-k2-s2-d2
to either
c2-diev1-s2-druid2
or
c2-priest1-s2-druid2

The extra dmg on cure will most likely cover the zaibas dmg and I will have divine might.
The extra sp regen of diev1 will come in handy with lycan later I think.
Priest buffs are always nice, but I could scroll them too.

What do you guys think?

#2

I test it too, with C2>K1>S2>Druid2 and yeah, between Possession, Carnivory, Zaibas and ABE, Zaibas is really the weakest. In fact, Carnivory lvl 1 do twice the dmg of Zaibas lvl1 per tick…
I also hesitate between Diev1 or Priest1, but I will probably go with Diev1 (for CDR mostly, I’m not sure to go Druid3), as I can buy Blessing :slight_smile:

#3

Yea zaibas seems like it was unnecessarily nerfed. The skill was strong but it was also pretty much the only thing krivis had to offer.

#4

It’s also bugged now since it doesn’t attack every time. Sometimes it’s just do nothing and start attacking after 5 seconds… I hope when imc fix it they’ll also buff it. This patch should have balanced everything not nerfing some classes to oblivion… Not to mention that storm calling cost money anyway and even with it zaibas damage is slightly less than heal…

#5

I want to go Druid 3 for 5 more invulnerability seconds, the stat buff while in transformation, and wolfy thingy!
Espescially more since carnivory now has an aoe attack ratio!

#6

I don’t if it’s better to take Druid3, especially if I don’t intend to use Lycan or Sadhu3 for TP, both classes adding to DPS ! But yes, for Lycan, Druid3 is probably the best option :slight_smile:

#7

Krivis is an unplayable joke class now. The damage is laughable compared to a single circle of Cleric. One out of a total of about 1.5 useful support skills is scrollable and easily affordable in cases where it’s even needed.

And to add an insult to an injury, Zaibas is bugged beyond belief. It either starts damage 5 to 10 seconds late (making sure SC has passed, at least) or refuses to do anything at all. Hotfix incoming some time in 2019.

#8

I think the Zaibas “nerf” wasn’t all that bad, as it allows you to go Krivis C1 or Krivis C2 or Krivis C3 with your build without significant differences (except the splash attribute at C2); Your Zaibas will just have less hits. The skill is still potentially stronger than Merkabah with less CD time, so I don’t think it’s bad for a filler skill. Paladins Smite level 15 e.g. is 2976% every 27 seconds, while Zaibas level 15 is 3116% every 30 seconds for less than 1/3 of the SP costs (Zaibas costs 1562= 312 SP while Smite costs 1786= 1068 SP).

It’s pretty neat for a filler with a possible boost from Taoists Storm Calling [not so strong anymore but still decent enough] :slight_smile:

The bug is pesky, though; I just resetted my Krivis into Chaplain to level faster towards Rank 8 without having to cope with this bug xD

#9

Im pretty sure this is the reason zaibas got nerfed and honestly storm calling is the one that should have got the nerf not zaibas. If we get any more lightning skills the same issue will show up.

#10

Good morning, Storm Calling has been nerfed to the ground as well.

#11

O didn’t know that. Then i guess they just went 200% over board lol

#12

Well at least strange yellow paper cost now 50 silver in Korea (https://pastebin.com/b3EwKifG) so it wouldn’t be that bad. But this zaibas bug really need to be fixed fast anyway. ;/

#13

Did you test it in game or are you just making up stuff?, no offense but i had a kirivs2/druid2 before and if you compare the damage from before and now it is trash, even with high level attribute and taking kirivis3+ divine might+divine stigma, its still trash, the only point of kirivis now its melstis wich its actually kinda cool.

To be honest i feel like i cant find something good in the cleric tree anymore, druid was cool with kirivis covering his weakness to flying mobs, but with this huge nerf kirivis/druid doesnt look that apealling anymore, and to add insult to injury thanks to the retarded bug that makes zaibas deal damage like 5 seconds later sometimes my party kills things even before Chortasmata/zaibas can actually do some damage. Im thinking about going sadhu instead to be honest, either that or just kill the char and make a pardoner for selling buffs :/.

#14

I love it when people compare skills together that make little sense to do so.

Smite is more than 3x less cooldown to Zaibas, it’s physical, can crit and not the only attack Paladin has, it is enhanced by strike bonuses and Conviction and isn’t a immobile attack. Zaibas got extremely over nerfed, it was a little too powerful at 333% on ktest even after they nerfed Storm Calling but it was closer to what it needed to be but then they nerfed it to 82% and killed the class.

IMC even said it themselves in one of their development patches that Krivis needs to be looked at, it’s literally one of the worst classes in the game right now and it kills class diversity (which as I said above goes against their new design philosophy). It will get changed, that’s why I also said that people should just be patient and keep the class the same if they truly enjoy Krivis.

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#15

It doesn’t work like that on a multihit skill LOL. It’s 82% of your Matk right ? So let’s say you have 1000 Matk > 820 per tick. But you forget the Mdef of the mob, let’s say you deal -200 on each hit, 620 per hit x19 = 11780 on one target only. And it’s actually not the right formula, so damages might be weaker.

Cure lvl 16 makes 4120% damages right :smile:?

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#16

I removed Krivis 2 from my build and went C2 and diev 1. It is much more effective. The 20%cd statue proves to be quite helpfull and having more heal tile is better now since everyone have more hp.

#17

I like the concept of kirivis class but i think it cant fit the role it is supossed to fill and mostly due to his buffs being a little bit… well… bad…

Daino+melstis provide the char with an utillity as a buffer kind of char but when we look at the buffs that it can provide well, they suck:

1.- Divine stigma e it still not that good even when u can have it uptime 100% of the time thanks to melstis the buff itself feels kinda weak compared to the new blessing and thau skills. IMO this skill should be reworked to provide a different scalling of the damage so kirivis c3 would be a more viable circle since melstis its actually very good.

2.- Zalcai, with the crit nerf this skill its ei’sh and the only reason for a kirivis to even use it its just because of the magic amplification thing, but then again, the buff its very low… and when we think of how magic amplification works, well… sometimes its not even worth clicking on this skill.

So yeah, both skills should be reworked and zalcai should help both the magic/physycal side of characters on par, not just crit dmg. the debuff itself its kinda neat but as an utillity skill it lacks on the buff side of the skill.

As for the damage of kirivis itself, i agree that the damage of zaibas its pretty damn low if u think that its the only offensive skill that this class have lol, so yeah, the nerf feels a bit too innecesary.

Love kirivis3 just for meltsis but as it is RN, its not even worth the circle :3 im actually thinking on dropping kirivs from my old druid build

#18

Well the thing is, Zaibas can hit up to 4 targets counting as only one hit.

So 8 targets counts as 2 hits, 12 targets as 3 hits, and so on.

This means that the actual dmg of the skill is 82% * 4 given there are 4 targets in the area.

I made a Krivis 3 Sadhu 3 Taoist, Divine Stigma + Prana + Melstis is really strong. My Possession hits 8k per hit with only lv 40 damage attribute and using a crappy Burawa (without any enchants or gems). Zaibas deals ~4k per hit in the 290 dungeon, double that under Storm Calling.

#19

The buff to the AOE of the skill was a needed thing, back before when it hitted packs of mobs it was very bad and im sure that if u played kirivis before you should know it. The base damage at the moment its ok’sh for being the only offensive skill of kirivis and i dont think we should see it as a needed thing for the aoe buff to happen :/.

#20

3 circles krivis give zaibas @ 38hits (19hits x2) of 82% with cooldown 30secs (approx 103% per sec over 30secs)
1 circle of miko give hamaya @ 26hits (0.3per sec for 8secs) x 192% with cooldown of 35s. (approx 142% per sec over 35secs)

Even if stormcalling gives double damage it will be hard to justify having 3 circles just for zaibas. C2 krivis + Miko yields more output than C3 krivis.

Zaibas do need some buff though. 82% all the way is too low imo. At least give some increasing bonus % for every level so that C3 is worth taking.

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