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Karacha Xbow or Catacombs Shooter for FULL DEX Build?

As the title, I’m wondering which is better for a Full DEX build and why.
Btw, My Build is : A3 > S3 > Canoneer
Karacha Dagger : http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/183108/
or
Catacombs Shooter: http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/184106/
As you can see, Catacombs Shooter has 80 Physic Damg higher but the Karacha Xbow has 150 Crit Attack.
Please help me.

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you want to be using

right… ? (ps drops from pink bunny assasins ?) from what i heard on the grape vine.

Not sure on cannoneers as i went ranger 3 fletcher 3 on my archer, but having tried karacha, khasti, seimos, catashooter, arde and manamana.

Ive settled on karacha + manamana for normal mobs and khasti for flying, have not been able to get my hands on a maga bow as of yet but i imagine ill change out khasti for maga if / when i do get one.

I strongly believe that search function is very useful

Xbow + Mana is definite better than 2hand Bow, but i’m confusing between Karacha Xbow and Catacombs Shooter.

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20 characters.

I couldn’t find an answer so I went and did some quick math. If I am not wrong on the calculations, here are your answers:

For simulation purposes I chose 80% critical chance as a reasonable value for a DEX-invested character to hit.

Catacombs Shooter: 276 - 305 (+31) (+80[Lth])
Karacha Crossbow:  237 - 262 (+151!) (+54[Lth])

Average damage added from Crossbow on critical hit:

[No armor type]:
Catacombs: [[(276 + 305) / 2] + 31] * 1.5 = 482.25
Karacha: [[(237 + 262) / 2] * 1.5] + 151 = 525.25

[Leather] // Damage is added post-crit:
Catacombs: 482.25 + 80 = 562.25
Karacha: 525.25 = 579.25

Average damage on non-critical hit:
[No armor type]:
Catacombs: 321.5
Karacha: 249.5

[Leather]
Catacombs: 321.5 + 80 = 401.5
Karacha: 249.5 + 54 = 303.5

Average Damage Values:
// Add leather damage post-crit on your own.

80% critical chance:
Catacombs: [(482.25 * 0.8) + (321.5 * 0.2)] = 450.1
Karacha: [(525.25 * 0.8) + (249.5 * 0.2)] = 470.1

70% critical chance:
Catacombs: [(482.25 * 0.7) + (321.5 * 0.3)] = 434.025
Karacha: [(525.25 * 0.7) + (249.5 * 0.3)] = 442.525

60% critical chance:
Catacombs: [(482.25 * 0.6) + (321.5 * 0.4)] = 417.95
Karacha: [(525.25 * 0.6) + (249.5 * 0.4)] = 414.95

50% critical chance:
Catacombs: [(482.25 * 0.5) + (321.5 * 0.5)] = 401.875
Karacha: [525.25 * 0.5) + (249.5 * 0.5)] = 387.375

Long story short, Karacha will beat Catacombs by a small margin given that your crit rate is roughly 60% and above (this margin increases as you approach the crit cap). Anything under or on targets with high critical resistance and catacombs will win.

Keep in mind that these are damage values just from the crossbow in a vacuum. Also consider that Karacha has +1 movement speed which may, in some cases contribute more towards an actual combat DPS increase (repositioning).

Hope this helps. If anyone spots errors on the math, feel free to correct me.

Hi, Would you mind telling where you did that simulator? Btw, your assumption was wrong the Karacha XBow gives Crit Att, not Crit Rate. Thank you for your reply anyway :D.

The critical attack from Karacha has already been factored into the calculations.

As for how I got the values, I made my own spreadsheet.