Just another boring farewell

[Hillgarm]

@zraekor

I do expect IMC to at least put some effort into addressing iTOS playerbase concerns and show at least some transparency with the community. (I remember the devs were very active in the first 3 years of the game - where are they now?)

They won’t. They gave up on it a long time ago due negativity/toxicity on the playerbase side.

@zraekor

While I agree with a lot of your points I think this game will still hold some value for people that want to play for nostalgia and progress further with their investments.
The content is still being pushed out and its a popularity in Korea which I doubt will wane anytime soon.

People are leaving because of the current game state and direction, new content doesn’t address any of that.

@zraekor

With that being said, I suspect a lot of players WILL return with the new 12-2 and Ep 13 content. You should consider returning around that time.

They may, but what really matters is retention. If a player comes back to see the new stuff and realize the reasons that caused it to leave haven’t changed at all, they will just leave again. It’s the same as seasonal servers, the game gains a small population boost and then goes back to the previous size if not lower (and this snowballs).

There’s not even a glimpse of a sign that IMC wants to change direction, they will rather die on spot than try any significant change that could harm their hardcore players, those who don’t like it are noticed it are giving up. I won’t deny that changing direction now isn’t a dangerous move but the current direction won’t save it either. As painfully as it is for me to say this - Ragnarok Online, a game released on 2002, does a better job as an MMO than ToS because it follows most of the basic principles of what an MMO needs to work as a game, and it’s as flawed as ToS.

It may survive 2021 but that’s not enough, it has to grow, specially when one of the biggest companies in the world recently announced they will make a brand new MMO after taking a significant chunk of the online card game market. A game population can colapse at a certain point and kill the game over night, they have to act before it is too late but it feels like they stopped caring a long long time ago. If they want the game to last long they should care, cause every server that dies can make players question how long their server will last, and if they should drop consider dropping out.

Everybody that was following the game since before re:build believe it could be a behemoth MMO if it played their cards right, but every time they got one hit for two misses, now it is sinking towards this convoluted mess of diablo/PoE clone it became. I wish you had the chance to play it on its former state, it had way more issues than it has now (like being stuck with a terrible build forever and classes that were beyond unplayable) but it was at least fun and we were free to play and explore however we wanted to.

[zraekor]

@Hillgarm

They may, but what really matters is retention. If a player comes back to see the new stuff and realize the reasons that caused it to leave haven’t changed at all, they will just leave again. It’s the same as seasonal servers, the game gains a small population boost and then goes back to the previous size if not lower (and this snowballs).

I’m curious how they will make seasonal servers work going forward if silver was removed. I can’t imagine a lot of seasonal players suddenly joining main without ichor’d end game gear. The Ep12 rewards PALES in what is required for endgame content.

[Malckyor]

As a returning/new player it only took me a few days to play and really see for myself how the game was doing since I saw a lot of veteran players saying how IMC let everyone down and even though I haven’t reached the endgame content because of the grind/silver issues that all the new player has to go through and I’ll be honest, there’s nothing in that to keep the new players motivated to grind like this (was this supposed to be the grind which all MMOs have? idk since I never picked up an MMO to play like that before), but oh well…
I simply agree with all said here. I’m sad to see all of this since I loved this game from the beginning (I mean when the game was announced, I couldn’t play this before though). I liked the game a lot, I liked the combat and class style (although I wished that more builds could be possible and not just follow any stupid meta, it is no fun to have to choose X class just because the one you wanted is useless and I don’t like to see everybody using the same stuff, is like living in a world full of yourself with different clothes).
Honestly I have no hopes for the better nor anything but I’ll try to enjoy the best as I can until I get full of it which will not take long I guess. I just wanted to say all of that as a new player and I know that a lot of people will either keep away from this game or play until they realize everything stated here.

[arsaurorayhvh]

The game is no longer called tree of savior, is now called Tree of cube, or tree of RNG <3

[Blackwargreymon]

@Fanaticism

even the latest personal housing which promised as “casual” feature feels neglected already.

@Fanaticism

its there as feature but its dead except to keep you afk and again use the luck of your lifetime in abysmal drop of carpet which seems to be goddess tier item.

thanks for the laugh.

@Fanaticism

the game really go the opposite of fun and instead go for more boring braindead endless grindy instance-y content even deeper

this summarize it all

@Fanaticism

instead of making more synergies/combo which is actually key in combining/rebuild classes and also to disperse meta you instead making it worse by simplify optimal scenario build

this is one of the most huge problem, and its just the surface.

@Fanaticism

this is no longer live up to its name :rebuild

i got you. its like watching movie called Jones :the zombie slayer but there is no zombie at all

farewell dude
i will join you soon enough cause the disappointment is real and it keep getting worse

of course if you side with imc, they are just small company, with only 2 games iirc, probably lacks of financial support of investors to spice up the game, highly rely on gacha cubes income that support the whole game and pay all its bill, and most definitely lack of human resource.

right now they only try the bare minimum, to keep the game alive, to milk the last spurt.
they create new content, so they can make premium vouchers or premium material so you guys with money and hate the wait to be “stronger” can get early access and flex, but then who to flex? especially when the f2p dont get the fun experience from the game and rather leave
when whales flex to each other its like a lamborghini owner flex to each other, its boring and less cool.

the game now just exist not to create history of a memorable game like ragnarok, which also currently have its brand and legacy exploited, milked in every single one of its new mobile title with no improvement at all, maybe because now most developer are just the same
they want to create money, not history

Tos will be just another generic rpg that history never mention about

[Teokbokki]

ayy the whiteknight appeared and use its trump card
some people really cant take critics eh
yeah, the game is always right, so the devs, nothing wrong about it
if the game keep dying let the game succumb cause its own doom
and your ignorance take part in it
only by then you realized the time or money you spent was wasted over something not so memorable
just grinds

[rivayir]

Both can be true.

You can see the faults in a game and still enjoy it.

You play as long as you enjoy it, play another game for a while and return to your previous game when an interesting update occurs.

[Fanaticism]

for the records, even though i wrote disclaimer already and i said i will leave,
(im really here cause i saved last opened page and see (3) next to the tab lol)

im not doomsaying the game. nor spread negativity.

i may be too lazy to go to ticket and end up with auto respond
and im simply disappointed, assign my resignation as savior, then stated my critics about the game
just like how a good company would ask me when i left, except for the disappointment part, and part where i stated this in open forum

cause i also disappointed with your support/ticket system cause from 5 tickets i sent last year none of them responded properly.
for example simple bug/error report that neglected for months like paladin arts->attribute, sadhu prana tooltip, haloween candy 2h mace skin graphical glitch and so on
none of them responded properly, followed up or fixed. just auto responds

also just because i told the family that their daughter have little chance to live that doesnt mean im doomsaying, i told them based on facts that her cancer is stage IV and its already spread to her important organs that its too late to perform treatment or surgery.

as in the case of tos, im not doomsaying, i just stated in game situation based on my opinion, not surprisingly, many agrees, and when opinions are supported by many it can be fact,but it can be not as well

and im not the one who create the situation, im not the cancer, you guess who.
and its not like its loo late to change direction, though some here said its gonna be risky and so on

honestly i dont care anymore, whichever direction you take, go on
i lost my interest playing this game, not even when i see that episode 12-2 or 13 pop up
or having my favorite classes buffed properly which im so sure its not gonna happen.

[skywing22]

You are not doomsaying, you are spitting facts.

[WarNux]

Feel you, bro. I dedicated a lot of time, efforts, art and money on this game. Tried to raise the fan art and story creation so artists would be as respected as in ToSJP and KToS, or supported like in RO. Not to mention that many active artists noticed the game started to go down with MAGGI’s departure; which was actually a big demotivation for many.

Me, along Hillgarm and Kiyoshiro (both veterans) revived the ToS Wiki that had no hope during its previous management (still incomplete, tho) and worked so hard on bringing the lores there, along visual content because IMC won’t just do it. Much less bring contents outside of ToS. So, most of the contributions are made by fans for fans.

Unlike RO, IMC don’t take good decisions nor hear the community. I cannot blame them, because its full of toxicity to the point they even got tired of people and started being cold around. But, you can really see the management difference between ToS and RO.

ToS started very well and has a lot of potential, but it slowly went down to the point nothing can save it from closing.

[zraekor]

a lot of IMC white knights will consider these posts are doomposting/doomsaying when in its clearly a fact in game

smh

[Blackwargreymon]

@Teokbokki

if the game keep dying let the game succumb cause its own doom

one of their game probably already met its doom
and thats 1/2 of their pc games lol

http://www.segye.com/view/20210118512983

[johnathan.ferreira]

In all these years of Tree of Savior, complaints and suggestions from the player base have hardly been heard. Everyone who is still here knows that the game cannot be fixed anymore, and even if there is a way, it will never be popular again. A long time has passed since the hype of the first year, the first year was fundamental to consolidate the game into something like the ragnarok that is played until today, even if someone says that the ragnarok official servers are dying, there are several private servers opening and closing every week and so on. Now my big question is, if everyone here already knows that the game does not have a very good future, why bother opening a topic to point out the problems of the game? Why debate this? The great truth is that no one cares, not even the player base that is still here and not the game’s devs.

I don’t want to offend anyone, I just wanted to understand why you guys keep debating the same flaws in the game if it won’t change anything, if you like the game and are not happy about its current condition, look for something else to have fun and quit ToS . It is much better than being disappointed with each update.

And if you do not want to leave, because you like the game and have faith that the game will be better someday, play without crying on the forum to each topic of this type please.

Peace.

[Blackwargreymon]

you ranting without reading the title. or even the poster disclaimer.or even everyone comments
there is no one debating here because everyone agree.
except you and your hipocrisy.

[adrian.agulto.rn]

Jumping on the thread.

10k+ hrs on this game and I have quitted recently as well.

Come on, once you look at it objectively and in a bigger point of view, the game is stupidly boring and repetitive already. New patch, same shet honestly.

There is no essence to this game anymore. It is not worth the time of many people nowadays that is why we are quitting.

[Siegfrieder]

You guys quit at the worst moment,
Imagine being able to finally p2w for achstones and then kick the bucket.

Tbh tho this game is a mess. Still so many bugs, lack of QoL, crazy unbalance, botters and RMTs, top it all off we still have multiple item dupe methods.

Concurrent players now say to enjoy the new patch but the only people who will be able to play the new patch are the players who spent years funneling resources to max multiple characters already.

For everyone else, if you wanna do ep13 content, your best bet is to wait for ep14 or 15.

[adrian.agulto.rn]

OP is same as me, no need for more archstones because we both only lack the latest accesories and lv5 seal

[Berserk]

@johnathan.ferreira

I just wanted to understand why you

why are you here when its “boring farewell” and know what its all bout lmao
even the first sentence of the disclaimer clearly says, its critics. and its free to submit your critics/feedback especially when you leave/done with something

theres whiteknight(s) popping
he may hate me so…

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[Lunalepsy]

I love how people keep flagging comments that show the detrimental state of the game. It shows how immature and childish they are. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and they can defend it as well. If you don’t like what is being said, why bother reading or contributing to the situation? The game IS in a sad state, and it will have a tragic end. Don’t like it? So sorry—it’s called reality.

[Teokbokki]

this guy is like noah and his ark
though he didnt tell everyone to join his ark, but he tell the oblivious that the world is…

censored for whiteknight

doomed