Well you may translate my “all mmo end up the same” however you want,…
Though having marked me and what I said as white knight talk is clearly a misunderstand as I am a doomsayer alike myself lol
Mine “all mmo end up the same” simply means all mmo will end up getting shutdown anyway, whether it’s good or bad, it won’t last forever, and it’s having no relation whatsoever with representing any community like those who quit lmao
so yeah, If you quit so be it, if you translate it that way like hell I care 
@Hillgarm
Hmm… interesting view
though personally im on holiday myself
In fact between jobs and I got 3 weeks+ to kill since december and all I do most times is gaming lol
Too bad I don’t have tos in my list
Just to get updated sheldomly
Even in my country it’s end semester holiday for school kids but yeah, they don’t seem to play tos to at least to increase those chart number
I don’t get why it would appeal them as well and how to attract them to play it
Unless they love maggi arts style like me, they would get hooked, at least for a while
But yeah, even now maggi arts or cute pet and costumes not enough to keep players in game
@Shalala
About those chart numbers, you should check around July 2017
It’s like the biggest decline after tos first year of multiple drops in 2016, become somewhat steady early 2017, having surge in may, and bam, its the biggest number of player drop since then with 1,5k
You know why?
It’s the introduction of leticia cubes
Anyone with enough mmo experience can tell where this game is heading and how it will end up
They basically oracles
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Even if, by a miracle, this game gets 5k+ players, the servers themselves couldn’t sustain them. On release, and if Every big patch/episode release, the game becomes unplayable because of the lag and channels dropping or chat/automatch not working. Those aren’t “bugs”, those are server stability problems, and as long as ToS have those, it will stop itself from growing more, always on those player thresholds.
I will always say this: this game would be so much bigger if it hadn’t the horrible lag and stability problems when it gets to a “big” amount of players. Even on release it was like that, maybe even worse, and those who survived/came back after all the hell it was that, stayed in the game.
I could also make a really long analysis on how the change of perspective of this game, from a “explore and get Gear steadily with your friends and more people” to “go automatch and farm endgame nonstop, no need to get out of town” has hurt this game and made players log 3-4 hours a week, do their content and leave until next week or for GTW/Boruta if they’re in a Guild, but I guess everyone who still reads this forum knows that ;_;
I love this game, its music, visuals and most of the core gameplay/class variety, and I don’t think it will die, even with the steady player drops. After all, they’re still trying to mantain the game fresh on the class balance side of things. But at the same time, I don’t think this game will surpass the 2-3k mark of active players ever. It has a niche, and that’s fine, have fun with the game if it’s fun to you, it’s still fun to me and I’ll play as long as that’s still true. I just feel bad for the new/returning players that get lost and info-overloaded and content-locked because everything now is just for max level and the Goddess/Gear Storage system is even more complicated than the Ichor System when you’re new.
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i think 5+ Years is a GOOD RUN for a PC MMORPG in today’s era. TOS came out after the golden era of pc mmorpgs(2004-2012) ended. Coming out at 2016 and making it this far itself in an accomplishment.
it is sad that the playerbase is declining. even the the TOS JP concurrent players has fallen from 2000+ players in 2019 to just less than 500 nowdays.
But whatever maybe the case… i m happy to see that the DEVS are pushing out some kind of new content/update(good or bad) and that is the motivation for the players i believe.(that ONE DAY THE GAME WILL BE GOOD…).
as for the players, the game is fun if you are a New player (never played TOS BEFORE).
you can be amazed and excited by the one-of-a-kind beautiful artstyle. the vast and beautiful world and its maps(although abandoned and deserted). the pleasant music and the main story quests is fun to do for the first time, have Fun exploring and trying out different classes of your preference and heck its fun even grinding for all gears for the first time.
After that the reality strikes in… of the MMORPGs the endess grinding and never-ending power upgrading and brain-dead gameplay and TOS also took the same path, a one like the MOBILE HERO GACHA RPGS.u cant blame them for that… but it kinda failed for a PC MMORPG.
the only Savior for Tree of Savior would be a Pri Server which can undo ( the bad updates )or try to balance but that would take years just to reach the same point as Ragnarok online (RO is unbalanced in a way too but its possible to find a balanced server of your choice)
For the old players, its fun if you have joined the top3 guild in your server and fun doing content toegther because most smaller guild just die and the leftover active players move on the the top 3guild.
In the end, i dont think the GAME will die anytime soon because as long as there are occasional new players coming and going and the pillars of the TOS ,the WHALES and HARDCORE players who are still there, that have put in YEARS of HARDWORK and EFFORT (or) LOTS OF MONEY that they are just too far, too deep to quit now.even 500+ Active paying players is enough for the Game to be kept alive.or atleast the SEA server will live on xD.
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Finally someone called out the elephant in the room. Nice to see extreme copium on the first reply.
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There’s two possible ways, or the amount keeps lowering until a threshold, or stay like that for some time
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This boring question again jeez…
“Why are you here?” Or statement like “if you don’t like the game just leave”
Jeez dude, this is forum, not game
We are here to talk, ask, comment, reply, argue, criticize, get updates, even meme
But do we obliged to play (again) ? No. Not when we don’t feel like it. Does it limit us to access forum? No. It’s open forum. It’s free except for the childish flag system.
Anyone who play long enough know why there are still many players who even been around since cbt still lingering around here in forum but not in game cause they hope Imc movement for tos is along with their hope, even just a nibble that enough to made them give the game another chance
The same question goes to you. why are you here in doomsaying like post? to shed some light so the main post would change his mind? Nah it wont work. even if this game become great with all your praises but if it’s unpopulated it doesn’t feel like an mmo at all when M is massive… this game can’t even handle big boss raid just because the server/channel can’t handle it and resort to make it instance like jsr
Look, the positivity of the latest gear progressing is simply lie on the removal of potential system into somewhat more healthier enhance system
But the drawback of new goddess gear is its also kills tradability, market and economy
They try to kill funneling but they also killed the economy
This is like another time they try to kill botter but their solution end up kill field hunt as well
Or recently added gabija coins when we already have merc badge just so they can turn silver into another type of untradable reward again to kill tradability, funneling and finally the economy
Tbh I’m so done with tos, but I love maggi arts style. If any big, trusted, well-financed, developer like square enix would develop an mmo with maggi art style, or even better the HD2D like octopath, and again no p2w bs, at least not rotten to the core, and let it be subscription base, I’m sold, id be happy to throw money like how happy I collected all paid hd2d games
It’s just rn, no mmo with isometric art style like old ro except for tos. Even mmo successors in mobile go with more 3d and less rustic art style like maggi’s. There’s this game in development called mad world with isometric view and rustic art style though it’s another korean mmo so I doubt they will go different path with tos or any other korean mmo.
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You kinda deserve the meme because saying the game is great while the situation reflected by player base is actually worse it’s just make you sounds so fake, sounds like it’s bs even if it’s true
You saying game aspects become good is your personal opinion, and as its personal opinion people can have different one as well and I see with the declining playerbase there are more to disagree. Ofc it’s not limited to the gear progression, but the declining can translate as disappointment, even as simple as boredom because no patch
Though I kinda pity you on how you try to fight back that guy who throw you meme by question his last activity here in forum.
Does it even matter?
You can read forum posts, updates, and just read and not to post and stay stealth, even with hide profile.
And to enter this forum all you need is fb account or Google account, you don’t have to actually play the game, the forum wont check your playtime, last active or you don’t have to be expert of the game, anyone literally can be here in forum and stay updated
Your attack on him is pathetic
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Because I have moved on from this 𝚜𝚞𝚗𝚔 𝚌𝚘𝚜𝚝 𝚏𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚢 but I do still read the updates time to time and my guildmate's weekly round up thread . (The one where you got triggered by the in-game political memes and got called out). You may be Azusagi now, but you never really changed do you, Azurasky. Even a SEA Ape like me remember your notorious days both in Klaipeda and Tree of Forums.
For existing players:
Dont worry, the game wont fizzle out so fast, it is tested and has somehow prevailed in the trail of time. Population will probably flatline for an extended period before a new dip, but it is just surprising how iToS went from towering over jToS ( a single country) to losing numbers this quickly. Just have fun while you still do and keep your guildmates close, they are the only takeaways from this game
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As a long term casual player who already have most of the necessary equipment, to be honest, i cannot voice my opinion about the game correctly, because “burnt out” is my only impression of the game right now. From all the unpolished experience that i cannot imagine i will enjoy as a new player to imc’s foolishness to keep doing unnecessary adjustment and wasting time. Social is the only thing that keeps the game going for me.
Even so, i will try to portray my opinion about the game in simple terms. The game is currently too hard for any new player to become a permanent player because there is like mountains and mountains of things you need to catch up before you can even think about the “main content” of the game at the current timeline. Unless the new player would like to try hard and go for the competitive, there is nothing else worthy to offer.
Game will likely not shutdown because there is still a competitive scene that people would like to invest in for their e-pp war, but i wont expect many new player will stay for long. “Soulless” would be the correct word to describe whats to come.
We play games to have fun. But by the way that ToS is conveying its “fun”, it’s a niche one in my biased opinion.
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Just play. If it dies, it dies and you go to another game. If it doesn’t die, you keep playing for fun.
I went to a forum of one of these new games (forgot the name, one where you gacha your heroes…), there where already doomsayers and whiteknights there… I think they are part of the natural fauna of MMOs.
Ah, Genshin Impact!
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Meh
Spent a minute to read my previous reply lol
You don’t need to tell people to play game in forum.
It’s different platform even if it’s relate.
We are here in forum to talk and discuss, not to play
You go play your game and mind your own business if you are not here to discuss about this topic
If you get sick of this kind of topic, doomsaying alike post, you can just stay silent if you are not here to argue or defend your favorite game and instead mentions general knowledge like every game has community that disappointed by the game and being out of topic by unnecessarily mention another game
Who tf is care with genshin impact when we talk about tos here in tos forum lol
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Ok, continue this so important discussion, whatever. It was just an opinion. You people are getting stressed.
you’re 10 steps ahead of us 
those who still play this game and even sugarcoating the situation are the stress one rofl.
also you leaving this thread and bash out relieve yourself by saying everyone here stress?
clearly you are the stressed one lmao
@raikoseifuu
which part of the main post is opinion?
the numbers are fact, and the post title end with question mark
the players leave can translate to players disappointment or the void of patch
also are you newbie enough to not know that every game always have players that dislike the development but still like the game?? at least what it used to or what some people expect it to be??
the game and the development are two different thing, the game is an object while the development is a process
I will give you an analogy of a clay pot and its shaping process
when a pottery make a clay pot, you can like the pot at certain point, but after several more shaping some people may dislike it.
the clay pot was good to begin with but the shaping is the one that made some people hate it
i hope you are not dumdum enough to understand this analogy
thats if you are here for a discussion instead of like being an unwanted guest, being bossy by telling everyone here what to do, and just leave with an insult
thats clearly not what a stress person would do lol
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Nah, I’m on a ‘big update’ to ‘big update’ basis. Not really worth getting angry… nor I am stressed.
@Farouk I’m sorry, I meant it was my opinion, not that your post is one. We misunderstood each other. And If the forum is open to ‘everyone’ to talk, as someone said before, I’m not an ‘unwanted guest’. I’m as free as anyone to post here.
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what you called big update is in tos scale
if you compare it to another game, even with same scale of company like imc, its pretty darn small
look, even the latest “big patch” coming out next 11 january already complaint as it is nothing new kkkk
also, you need to pick your words correctly
i dont see anyone here is angry (except the whiteknight getting memed or probably you for telling everyone here stress)
only some memes, sarcasm, and most definitely i can feel disappointment in the air
you being “unwanted” simply means you arent among these forum people who came here because feeling disappointed.
you got it or should i explain it slowly or make it simpler??
shrugs and leaves this post to the disappointed ones
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