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Is my understanding of Simony accurate?

Class and Rank Cleric
#1

EDIT: I think I should make something clear right off the bat. SIMONY IS NOT THE BUFF SHOP! To all these people out there who seem to think that the shops Pardoners have open in cities who are selling priest buffs are doing so by selling scrolls, you are mistaken. Scrolls go to the market. They are completely separate things.

Okay, so let me see if I have all this straight…

  • Only select spells can be scrolled from various Cleric classes, and several of the Cleric classes do not have any spells which can be scrolled.
  • Scrolls can be traded, marketed, and placed into team storage.
  • The skill used by the scroll scales off the caster’s stats, not the scrollwriter’s stats.
  • The scrollwriter’s trained Attributes pertaining to the scrolled ability are not imbued into the scroll.
  • [EDIT: This bullet point is cited to be inaccurate. Please see the following bullet point instead. I would have put this bullet in strike-out, but this forum doesn’t seem to offer that] The level of the scroll’s ability is determined by the level of the scrollwriter’s Simony skill used to create it; scrolling a level 1 ability using a level 8 Simony will write a level 8 scroll despite the scrollwriter’s relevant skill being only level 1. [EDIT: Again, in case you missed it the first time, this bullet point you just finished reading is false. :V]

EDIT: For the sake of the convenience of passersby who are interested in these points, the following bullet points are being added in after having been discussed below.

  • The level of the scroll’s ability is determined by the level of the scrollwriter’s relevant ability or the level of the scrollwriter’s Simony, whichever one is lower; scrolling a level 8 ability using a level 3 Simony will create a level 3 scroll; scrolling a level 3 ability with a level 8 Simony will also create a level 3 scroll.
  • If the user/caster who activates a scroll has trained any Attributes that pertain to the ability contained in the activated scroll, the caster will be granted the benefits of their Attribute(s).
  • The cooldown of Skill Scrolls are separate from the cooldown of the non-scroll versions of those scrolls. If you have scrolls of spells you normally already have, then you essentially have access to that spell on two separate cooldowns.

EDIT: The following abilities can be scrolled:
Cleric: Cure, Deprotection Zone
Krivis: Aukuras, Daino, Zalciai
Priest: Monstrance
Paladin: Restoration, Turn Undead, Barrier
Oracle: Arcane Energy, Clairvoyance, Forecast
Any other Cleric classes which are not included here do not have any abilities that can be scrolled.

Supposing the above points are correct, then this leaves me still needing to know one thing [EDIT: This “one thing” has been figured out now]. The scrollwriter’s Attributes might not be imbued into the scroll, but if the caster (ie; the one using the scroll) has a relevant Attribute, does that get triggered [EDIT: Yes, it does]? If my character who has Daino 5 and has trained Attributes for Daino uses a Skill Scroll Daino 10, will he get his trained Attribute benefits with the resultant spell [EDIT: Yes, he will]? If my own stats scale into the scrolled ability when I use that scroll, then perhaps my own Attributes do as well [EDIT: Yes, they do. :V]? The answer to this question could radically alter my originally planned class progression, so I would appreciate any information anyone can provide in regards to the accuracy of the above points and in regards to this Attribute question. Thanks.

EDIT: I have managed to get my hands on a Monstrance Scroll, and put this Attribute question to the test. If the user of a scroll has an Attribute pertaining to the ability on that scroll, then they DO get the benefit of that Attribute when they use that scroll. This means that the only question now is whether or not the points at the top of the post are correct [EDIT: This question has now also been addressed. :V].

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What skills can be made into scrolls? and build
#2

Bullet #1 is correct.
Bullet #2 I can confirm they can be marketed and placed into team storage, but I can’t personally confirm if they can be traded in 1:1 trades simply because I have never attempted to do so. I wouldn’t see why not, so I would assume they can be traded.
Bullet #3 is correct.
Bullet #4 is correct.
Bullet #5 is incorrect. That is how Simony USED to work, but it was changed (nerfed) quite a while back. Scrolling a level 1 ability with level 8 Simony will result in a level 1 skill scroll. If you want to make level 8 skill scrolls, both the ability skill and Simony must be level 8.

This change was made in order to stop people from just getting one skill point in every scrollable skill and being able to use and/or sell max versions of all of them so easily. Now people have to pick and choose carefully which skills they want.

To answer your attribute question, yes. If the character that uses the skill scroll has a trained attribute for that skill the use of the scroll will trigger the attribute. The same is true of buff shop buffs and attributes. For example, if a first circle level 30 Priest has the blessing attribute maxed and they purchase a level 15 blessing buff from a buff shop, their trained attribute level will effect the purchased buff.

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#3

Awww, man… That just popped my bubble so hard. Hahaha. Here I was thinking I might be able to get away with crafting level 10 Daino scrolls with only one circle of Krivis. Now I’m back to feeling conflicted about what class combination to take. x3

Well, thanks for the info, at any rate. I appreciate it. :slight_smile:

#4

Aww, I’m sorry to be a bubble-burster! :frowning: At least you know this before going down that route, it sure would be upsetting to find out at rank 6 or 7 like some poor unfortunate users have.

There is one other thing about skill scrolls I wanted to mention that you might find interesting and/or helpful. A skill scroll ability has a separate cooldown from the actual skill if the user has both, making it where you can use both or alternate between the two.

For example, let’s say there is a circle 3 Paladin who has the Barrier ability trained and they also carry around Barrier skill scrolls. They can use the Barrier ability and then it will go on cooldown, leaving the skill scroll free to be used and once it is, it will go on cooldown, and once the ability is off cooldown it can be used again. This can be used as a way to use the skill more often.

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#5

That certainly is good to know! Thanks. I’ll make an amendment to the OP adding these additional bullet points for anyone else stumbling upon this thread who might want to know.

And yeah, it’s a good thing I got all this straight now, before I’d have made any mistakes with my build. Maybe I might still be able to get away with only taking Krivis 1… Perhaps if I use my level 5 regular Daino in situations where there’s nobody else trying to distribute a significant quantity of buffs, and 11 will suffice, and if I purchase level 10 Daino scrolls from the market and just keep them in reserve for situations where I find myself in a party with, let’s say, some mage with lots of buffs or something. As a result of not taking Kriv 2, I should be able to take Pardoner 2, so I ought to be able to have enough silver to be able to afford those scrolls, I think. However, I won’t be able to get that second circle of Pardoner to make that money until later on down the line when they give us more than 7 class ranks (as I understand it, it’s planned for there to be 10 class ranks). This would make my most likely class route into Cleric > Priest > Priest > Krivis > Cleric > Diev > Pardoner. Then, later on, when we get our 10 class ranks, I can add in > Cleric > Priest > Pardoner. It would probably be much more practical for me to do that Pardoner C2 before the Cleric or Priest C3s, but whatever is your most recent class is the one that shows in your Character Info, and I don’t like the idea of being level capped and having my class read as some low-ranking thing. lol. So I dunno’. We’ll see, I guess. :stuck_out_tongue:

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#6

https://tos.neet.tv/skills?simony=1&f=1

List of currently known Simony compatible skills

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#7

One thing to consider is high level scrolls are so cost prohibitive to make that no one is going to buy them or likely sell them.

It costs 700 silver per skill level to make a scroll. So things like lvl 10 daino scrolls would cost 7k silver to make. For the pardoner to even make any profit off it they would need to put it on auction for 9-10k. Hardly anyone is going to pay that for a 3 minute buff.

#8

It costs 700 silver per skill level to make a scroll. So things like
lvl 10 daino scrolls would cost 7k silver to make. For the pardoner to
even make any profit off it they would need to put it on auction for
9-10k. Hardly anyone is going to pay that for a 3 minute buff.

True. That’s why the Attribute question was important. For YOU, maybe it’s three minutes. But for me, it will be significantly longer, since I’ll have Daino’s +duration attribute maxed. And yes, I’m already paying about 9.5k per level 10 scroll. But if I’m making frickin’ thousands upon thousands of silver from selling buffs, then this will eventually not be an issue. However, that won’t be until we get more class ranks. With the 7 ranks we have now, I won’t be able to take Pardoner 2 yet. So it’ll be expensive for a while until then, but I’ll live.

EDIT: I made this post as a reply to alliken411, but for some reason, it’s not registering as one. What hell? D=< Can some admin out there or something fix this, perhaps? I guess it’s not a huge deal, but still. Irks me to no end when technology doesn’t do what I frickin’ told it to! xP Makes me feel like there must be some supernatural beings out there changing the laws of physics temporarily, and that’s an insane thing to think, which is probably why it bothers me so much. When insanity is the only explanation, then something is radically wrong. lol.
EDIT EDIT: It seems to be doing this consistently on every post I make that’s a reply to someone else’s post. Perhaps it just doesn’t show reply notices when it’s your own comment? I guess that wouldn’t be something that needs to be “fixed” per se, but I personally think that should be changed. :stuck_out_tongue:

#9

What server are you on? Hardly anyone even sells or buys Daino scrolls on Orsha. Its kind of depressing that I sell more aukuras, and restoration scrolls.

#10

There’s hardly anyone ON Orsha TO sell anything in the first place! XDDD I’m on Klaipeda. It’s much more populated over here. At least that’s what I’ve heard. :3

#11

I was interested in level 1 monstrance scrolls. Those scrolls have the same duration as the skill, right? Only 20 seconds?

And another question, If I have simony level 1, I can scroll monstrance, daino level 1 too and sell them in the market place, right? And I have to pay 700 to craft one, am I right?

#12

Yes, that’s right. If you have level 1 Simony, then you can make level 1 Monstrance and Daino scrolls (supposing you also have level 1 Monstrance and/or Daino as well). I don’t remember how much it costs to make the scroll, though.

And yes, a Monstrace scroll will have the same duration as a regular Monstrance spell without any Attributes (20 seconds). However, if you do also have the Monstrance spell normally, and you have the attributes to make Monstrance last 25 seconds, then the scroll will have that bonus when you use it (but only if you use it; if someone else uses it, it won’t, unless they also have the attribute).

#13

Does anyone know if the dispeller scroll is a popular sell?
I vaguely recall reading someone mentioning folks burned through 100s of dispellers during GvG. Maybe that’s the way to build up silver for the more expensive L10 scrolls :confused:

#14

Thank you so much!! This info helped me a lot

#15

@TeamChespin
I remember that during CBT, it was pretty easy to sell Dispeller scrolls. They’re quite useful and people did buy them. I can’t imagine that that’s changed now, so people are probably still buying them.

@Eldinen
You’re quite welcome. Glad I could help. :slight_smile: