Tree of Savior Forum

Is it really F2P?

I know the game is still in beta and the only players playing right now are the ones who spent money to support the game (including myself), however, the amount of benefits a VIP player gets is just ridiculous. By VIP I mean those who bought the token. I am going to write what i think is wrong with the game right now, fell free to leave your opinion after.

Bonuses such as more XP from mobs or more slots on the market and things like that are completely acceptable. The problem rises when it starts to take basic functions of the game from those that are not VIP. The best example would be the trade function. What kind of MMO is that that does not have a trade function. For god sake this is an MMO, Massive MUTIPLAYER. You know that the multiplayer means that you are able to interact with other players right ?.. then why the hell making it feel like a single player game experience ?

Still in regards the trade function, the Korean server removed it with the excuse that the bot were ruining the economy of the game, but what economy is left in the game if the player are not allowed to trade? … some people will say that we still have the market to make trades … we actually don’t. Apart from the market taking away 30% of the cost of the item (for non VIP) it also reduces the Potential of the equipment which is a very important attribute to have if you are trying to get the best gear. Also, forget the feeling of improving together with your friends. if you’re playing in a party, eventually you will drop an item that is just perfect for one of your party members … well unless you are both VIP players you will never be able to trade the item. Even if you are a VIP you are only allowed 30 trades a month.

Using bots as an excuse to remove an core feature of the game is just not acceptable. RO had bots everywhere and the game still have one of the best game economies.

For Klaipeda players, the server is completely over-populated, it is by far the server that has the more problems and most of it due to the server being full. There are many player wanting to migrate to another server that are just “trapped” in the Klaipeda server. Since they already spent their TP and do not want to lose it by creating another character in a different server. So why not giving them the free transfer right now instead of making all of us in the Klaipeda server suffer for the whole exclusive access in instability and lag ? It is ruining the game experience for those who want to change the server and for those that want to stay in the server. I just cannot think of a reason for waiting until the end of exclusive access to give the free transfer, it just makes no sense.

Another thing is Enchant Scrolls. For those that don’t know yet this item is used to add bonuses to the hat gears. The whole idea of the item and the price is ok, but what i think it is a bit unfair is that free players only get up to 5 TP, and it takes about 20 hours to get it. This means that free players will never be able to buy this item and it is extremely important to have it if you want to get the best gear. Of course free players can still get the headgear already awakened from the market but it will cost absurd amount of silver, as the market takes out 30%, and it will decrease the potential of the item. The market is the only option free player will have to get awakened headgear since there is no trade in the game. I think what would be fair is to increase the amount of free TP to 8 or 10 so that free player will still be able to buy it. Since it takes 4 hours to get 1 free TP, it would take 32 hours for them to get 8 TP to buy 1 Enchant Scroll. In my opinion waiting 32 hours to get one attempt of awakening a headgear that will most likely come up with the wrong bonus you want is much better than not giving them any option.

Simply speaking. IMC stop using bots as an excuse for your money scams, having to pay to use core functions of the game is just stupid. I imagine whoever came up with that stupid idea. This game is dying because of bad decisions made by the staff. You are lucky that there is only playing players playing right now and most of us do not mind spending a bit more money to support the game and get our basic functions, however, be prepared for the rage that will be when this games becomes F2P, or as I would say free trial since if you don’t pay you will not get a complete game.

I am really starting to believe that the reason that IMC wanted so much exclusive access time is to scam as much money as possible before the game dying when it becomes F2P.

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Ofcourse they did.
It’s going to be worse cashgrab than archeage.

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Pay to play with “free demo” for new players.

Just advertised with other words.

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I fully agree with you, everything you said is accurate. It really has become a cash-grab scheme.

Completely agree with everything OP said.

Also bring back the option to trade silver. It’s ridiculous if you want to sell something to a guildmate or someone you know. You can’t trade it directly because he can’t give you silver, so you are forced to use the market. But, the market has random delay before item becomes available, so there’s a high risk that someone else will buy that item before your guildmate does. Even if that wasn’t a big enough problem, there is the ridiculously high gold sink when using the market.

Overall, this game is telling you not to interact with others, not to trade and be a solo player.

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I love the idea of removing game features because of bots.

Feels like Lineage 2 all over again - Hey bots are farming gold from quests? Let’s remove all quest rewards. Hey bots are farming gold from mob drops? Let’s cut the money drop down to 1/10. Hey bots are playing too much of class X? Let’s nerf class X to the ground.

Sure, let’s just remove game features bit by bit instead of thinking of new smart ways to fight bots.

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Those playing players playing.

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OMG you figured it out congratulations, try explaining it to everyone here blowing up in my troll threads and the people following them off cliffs.

How do I become a “VIP” player like you mentioned above?

What benefits do Vip players have?

Just curious didnt know there was such thing

VIP = Premium = Token

if you haven’t already, buy one of the DLC that includes tokens; the $30 or $50 ones.

Quick note on this part.

Enchant scrolls drop. So there is that option for free players.

Also the 30% only affects the seller of items, not buying items. Not sure why decresed potential has anything to do with free players attaining headgear.

I see this argument everywhere. Didn’t RO go P2W with selling gear with crazy stats?

Why not try to suggest a solution that would allow trading without a token while at the same time combating RMT? My suggestion was allow 1:1 trading without a token, except for purple or higher gear and headgears. This is pretty much the only things people would sell for real money. No reason to restrict trading on everything else.

One last note is i might agree with more of what you said if you couldnt buy tokens with silver. You keep saying things like “having to pay”.

So if I already paid $10 can I upgrade to the $50 or I have to pay again?

yeah, exactly my words.
well, i join p server anyway if the developer’s keep doing what they do right now, because i can have my fun there without these stupid restrictions, i gladly donate to a p server 5$ or whoever, rather than to nexn00b’s

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I paid the $50 founders, but I still agree that this trade function is the most ridiculous thing ever!

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next time don’t buy any founder or pre-order a game befor reach all forum. the game more bad then the second close beta.

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Hi, i want to play with my friends on EU server please.

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As someone with a token, the value isn’t worth it because you can’t take them between servers.

Save your money, spend it on something else. Server-wide tokens are an insane scheme to get people to buy multiple tokens to play on multiple servers and you shouldn’t have any of it.

if you bought the $10, you can also buy the $30 or $50. it won’t be an upgrade, just a separate purchase.

…why would you want to do that though? most people just play on a single server.