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Is clericC2>krivisc1>divc1>Pc2>PD viable for full supp? lets say until end game

Class and Rank Cleric
#1

Hello, good day to you. Now I create this thread not to create some war regarding which is better, since you know, priest c3 to get chaplain is just plain awful (to me at least), because you waste getting a skill (exorcise) that you probably wont even insert skill points to, and chaplain has two skills that I endgame players say are not useful, last rites (wasted since I dont think I will level up sac), as well as magnus exorcimus, which needs exorcism. Please, do state your point if those skills are indeed good in endgame,but PLEASE DO NOT TROLL.

Sigh, I’m just tired. I want to play support so bad, but with the game not giving any skill reset in the near future (and the token price in Malaysia is too much for me), I need to consider if this build is needed in parties, whether early game, mid game, or even end game if God willing. Some of you may say enjoy what I love, and so I say, I love supporting, so I want to be useful to my party later on in the game.

A couple of questions :

  1. is this build suitable for a support class?
  2. can this build reach end game?
  3. will I be bored to death? (I love supporting though, I play supp 80% of the time in Dota2)
  4. how on earth do people train full supp until high levels?
#2

1: cant say, what is divc1 and pc2?? id divc=diev and pc=priest then yes, it will be wacky but thats what cleric is all about
2. yes
3. no, due to you not have preist3>chap (i can tell thats boring af)
4. i dont reccomend full support, support/dps is better (exp. cleric2>krivis2>bokor2>PD) that build can support just as well as ANY full support and deal WAY more damage to help out your team.

also, i would change this to cleric thread, youre gonna either not get attention here or a bunch of ignoranuses will reply that dont even play cleric xD

#3

Have you considered other types of support? Like wizard support (with linker and possibly with thaumaturge?)

You would be a buffer type of support which provides buff to damage and AoE ratio.

#4

Nope, that’s not what you want end game. And I classify full sup to 2 main things: heal + protection. So this is what I want it.

  1. Cleric c2 is full sup class and you must always have it.
  2. The only worth sup skill for Krivis c1 is Daino, but we can buy Daino in shop so NO Krivis.
  3. Priest C2 or C3 is also give best sup skills with Rez, Revive, Max Heal and Stone Skin. Note that you don’t have to take Chaplain for full Sup. Chaplain is Dps class.
  4. Plague Doctor is your last bet for Full Sup
  5. You should follow this build if you really want ro be FS:
    Cleric c2 - Priest c3 - Cleric3 - Pd
  6. Lvling is not painful, is super painful. If you have a masochist friend to help with questing then . . . nope, don’t drag me down this path. But I saw rank7 players with that build before.
#5

I agree on the point that you should go a dps/support hybrid.

Full supports are really not necessary, and will probably cause anyone to burn out rather quickly since the gameplay of them is insanely boring.

No one is going to deny you as long as you have C2 in your build to support.

Anyone that built “full support” will disagree with this entire statement just on the basis that they suffered through the leveling and they don’t want to feel like it was a waste.

#6

Cler1 > Kriv1 > Diev1 > Priest2 > PD 1…
(Assuming Div = Dievdirbys, P = Priest)

people will complain that you don’t have Cler2. “Omg you can’t survive without 10 heal tiles!” …additionally, there are a lot of useful other bits, like Divine Might, and a longer SafeZone. but not -truly- critical if you really hate it.

Diev is -nice- but Diev1 doesn’t add a lot. some vaguely convenient statues, but overall not really worth it. this might be a really good one to drop for either Priest 3 (more blessing, aspersion, sacrament, and/or mass heal, as well as stoneskin) or Cleric 2 (more safe zone, more heal, get divine might).

i like what @TueHa said about the order in point 5; except i don’t see a lot of use from Cleric3. 10 tiles/cast is plenty.
Cler2 > Pr3 is the core build for any FS. take nearly anything for rank 6 (good spot for the Krivis… or a shot of Paladin, Oracle, Pardoner, whatever…) and then cap it off with PD. although bloodletting is a LONG way from being complete invulnerability to status effects, so you could argue your way into something else if you really wanted. Maybe take Krivis at R6, and Pardoner at R7, then -you- can be the one selling Daino scrolls to everyone.

this will be a painfully slow and difficult build to level… but then again it’s an FS build, so when are they not?

#7

So you guys (plus a majority of players in forums) are suggesting supp/dps?
like cleric2>priest3? then pick something in between? what dps cleric class is good and can be obtained early?

btw supp mage is good but since I can only make 4 (coughtokencough), I chose to create alchemist, you know, the money making class.

#8

these are not related.

extra character slots are available for purchase 33 TP each. just click “create character” when you’re full, and it will ask if you want to make another.
the current max is 15 character slots.

remember that pets take up a character slot as well.

ps; the best moneymaking class is a farmer.

#9

You’re planning on making all these support chars without understanding how the leveling is for them. Stick to one.

Supp/dps is perfectly fine, you can go ANYTHING in the cleric line as long as you get cleric 2, you will be able to support everything in the game except ET (well, even ET is fine for some supp/dps builds).

Alchemist is also terrible to level, so just stick to one or the other.

Remember you have 280 levels, and a lot of them are INSANELY slow as support.

#10

I see, so we learn something new everyday, thank you :smile:

@kirkrocks1 thank you for the input, I understand that making all these support chars without understanding how they work is terrible, but that’s why I make this thread, to see if the build im planning to do is viable, and I dont plan on creating many characters for supp, not enough time. And yeah levelling all of them would kill me in the process :sweat_smile: With that being said, I want to focus on cleric builds since I will be playing with my brother.

Guys, what are the suitable dps/semi dps class for clericC2>PriestC3> ? > PD?or should PD be replaced with classes like druid? that got some dps in it

#11

1; see my post above (i think you already did)
2; ANY build can reach endgame. it’s more about do -you- have the patience to get it there.
3; yes. you will die of boredom, rise from the grave, and die all over again, because it will be SO slow. this is (probably) NOTHING like DOTA.
4; very very slowly, and with lots of friends.

Full Support generally stands at the back and throws heals and buffs. your interaction with the mobs should be as little as possible. in fact, if you are interacting with them at all, someone is probably doing something wrong.

-if- you have some friends you can play with all the time, and they’re likely to stick with it all the way… then FS can be both rewarding and fun to play. it’s simply a very different style of play than a DPS character. but if “staying out of the way and patching everyone else up” is not what you want to do, then don’t play support.

i would actually strongly recommend starting with a more action oriented class for at least 100~150 levels. this will give the the understanding of the game from the front-liners’ perspective, and you’ll see what they need better for it.

#12

yep, I would suggest archer for this guy and go R3-Fletcher3 lulz.
I had experience with Chaplain about questing to rank5 and it is super painful. Even more pain if he takes sup skills above everything.

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#13

@TueHa @tzxazrael thanks so much for the reply, myb I will proceed with swordman/archer first. I really appreciate what you guys have done :slight_smile:

#14

i would choose arhcher over swordsmen. fi you choose to stay magic dont go full support, that is probably the worst idea people can make (especially wizards, fs wizards have lowest dmg in the game by a lot)

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#15

I see, so myb a hybrid build of mage is better than full dps.
Thanks bro for the input

#16

oh god yes. i was sitting on a stat/skill resets from founders’ pack 1, so i leveled as a str/dex melee build until i hit chaplain, but even then it was painful. to be effective later, he’d need to level as an int/spr build.

i strongly suggest it.

swordsman is super easy for the first… 100~150 levels or so? but come late game, like 200+, it really starts to fade out because so many enemies are magic-based. that said, it’s a great way to start, and if you never plan to take it all the way to begin with, and just use it to get familiar with the game, then it’s no particular loss if you find yourself ditching it around 150ish

archer is a very powerful single-target killer to start out, and (obviously) has the advantage of range. however, if enemies get close to you, archers are also much more fragile than most classes. they do not take a beating well. additionally, archers take a lot more research before building to come up with something that can continue at the same pace. poorly selected classes or ranks can heavily cripple you, but generally an archer can survive as useful DPS all the way to the end.

cleric is a very durable class. they only have moderate HP, but the ability to heal gives them excellent “staying power”. however, they require a lot of research, and very early decisions about what direction you want to go.
–full support? you will level -very- slowly on your own, but will generally be highly welcome in any group, and even more so in dungeons, where your presence will make the rest of the group that much more effective.
–DPS cleric? some will laugh at it, but there are some builds that can make this a very effective weapon.
–some kind of hybrid? even more complicated, and will eventually have to sacrifice part of either the DPS or the support.

wizard is a great AoE killer right from the start, and depending on the build, can do all kinds of different jobs.
–support wizards, like linkers or chronomancers, function as damage multipliers for the group. they make the group hit harder, or faster, or hit more targets at once, etc.
–DPS wizards focus on hitting the enemy hard, and usually hitting a lot of them at once.
–Summoner wizards have pets to call up

this isn’t even an exhaustive list of the various possible styles for each class.

honestly, the most important thing is to pick something you think will be interesting to play.

#17

I really appreciate the list you gave in your reply, as it helped me understand that eventhough I will be welcomed in parties, the levelling process of FS cleric is painful, and I should really learn by picking other classes that I can enjoy too. Thanks bro, may I know what build you used for your cleric?

#18

i’ve done the “core” chaplain build…

Cler > Priest3 > chaplain

cleric: max heal, safety zone, cure
priest: max blessing, aspersion, sacrament, 2 Res, 1 Revive, 2 Stoneskin
Chaplain: max Deploy Capella, Last Rites, Aspergillum

…at least that’s what i plan for Chaplain. she’s still just sitting around at 131, waiting for me to actually get on with it.

#19

i see, quite a nice build, I can see where you are headed, but does sac and last rites scale well?
Until now have you been experiencing a feel of reduction in damage output?since you know, higher level monsters have better defense, attack, etc.

#20

well… every rank i’ve experienced a small burst of power, that slowly fades as i approach the new rank…

until i hit Chaplain when damage went from “hundreds” per swing to “2-3 thousand” per swing (for the short periods i can keep all my buffs up yet.)

my buffs are currently very hard to maintain; i have a LOT of them…
Bless, Sac, Aspersion… at first from a store, then redoing blass myself, and back to town when Sac & Aspersion run out.
Stoneskin, Revive… usually don’t bother except bosses, though i should try to keep them up more.
Aspergillum will eventually last as long as bless, but to start it’s very short. (even at max, it’s still quite short, but so are most buffs)
and Last Rites as well.

7 buffs, just when i solo.

right now, i’m expecting/hoping the damage will keep up as i continue to level because i’m still at the start of chaplain… but like everything, as your power increases, so do the monsters. that said, there are still 2 more ranks ahead of me to see what i can add to the build.