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Is Cleric pushing Swordsman and Archer away?

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#1

@STAFF_John So…my fellow (who played on Korea server but uninstalled it few days ago) keep telling my friend that Swordsman classes are suck in general since Wizard and Cleric took their roles. I tried to give my friend some advices, I told him that he should play his favorite class because it will be more enjoyable and I told him to believe in IMCgames because they keep buffing swordsman in Korean version.

But my fellow told us that we shouldn’t trust IMC at all since you guys keep buffing Cleric.

He told us that Cleric’s buff cap has been raised to 7 instead of 5 recently and the new +1 buff cap attribute is way too good so Daino isn’t that necessary anymore, you don’t need to think about buff priority.

He show us how IMCgames buff cleric safety zone and TOS will keep turning into Tree of Magic.

Everytime I say something like “Screw it! Play your favorite class, the meta will change” and he keep showing his Korea experience and Meta advices, make analysis about how cloth armors suck so everyone and their mother wear plate armors

I can’t denied his advices at all because I’m just a iCBT tester and I think some of his advices are actually true (I play sorcerer and I can’t wear Cloth armor at all because of it attribute.), so I make this thread just to know IF IMCGAMES NOTICE THIS PROBLEM, I don’t need to know how, I just want to know if you guys will do something about this.

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#3

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I see some people getting the wrong idea from this clip… this build(or all fencer builds in general) are considered to be the worst in the KR server. the guy in this clip actually admits this build being crap in the inven(the korean info site)… don’t be fooled by this guys,if you really want the all rounder build I recomend sword>peltista(?dunno the spelling sry)>hoplite(?same here)>hop>hop>doppel>dragoon, or sword>peltista>hop>hop>corsair>corsair>dragoon, and if you want consistent DPS I recomend sword>high>high>high>peltista>doppel>dragoon. you really need one peltista in your build tech. It really comes in handy in the later games, again, don’t be fooled guys you invest your precious time into the builds you choose

To the people confused the player used the highlander guard skill > Coquille > etoiles > composee spam it looks crazy because his ping is probally bloody low as a fencer player myself I am unable to spam composee that fast due to poor ping

#4

Oh there’s even better ones then that? I’ll take it!

Though, 8 second duration full armor strip for pierce attacks and 8 second cooldown comes up to 100% uptime. There seems to be quiet a lot of potential synergy if you’re building a custom composition. Doing true damage sounds pretty dandy to me.

We have another set of 8 classes coming up and a weak meta… Give it some time.

#5

Top ranked player is a goon. Mind you thats a bit of a stretch because the class making him top rank in pvp is cataphract, but there are good swordsman classes/players.

#6

This video again lol…please be fooled by it and think fencer is good.Pick up Fencer please XD.

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#7

TOP 50 PVP, 3 swordsmans, 1 archer…
and still no words from IMC…

#8

Priest’s stone skin and plague doctor’s bloodletting are too OP in PVP

Cloth armor and SPR are being overshadow by Plate armor and CON

We need more debuff and less CC for Wizard, Cryomancer + Chronomancer are way too good that then can replace tank.

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#9

Is this what you meant to say?

Or did you mean Cloth and SPR are overshadowing Plate and Con.

Im just confused because your complain about bloodletting and stone skin then your next line suggest spr and cloth are not good enough.

#10

CON > SPR

Plate > Cloth

#11

okay but then by that logic cleric needs stone skin to keep up.

#12

Stone skin give block rate, which give you chance to prevent 100% physical damage

Plate boost HP and give more physical def, much better for survival compare to Cloth

Cleric have revive, heals, safety zone,…extremely tanky if build CON

Cleric heal scale on player’s HP, more HP = more heal.

Cleric C2 have this attribute

Not mention about Wizard classes with a lot of CC, Plague doctor can deal with their CC.

Meanwhile Archer and Swordsman don’t have much option to counter magic attacks

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#13

PVP arenas is based on the total amount of damage you do and not how many wins you get or points.That is why you see dragoon/cata (RUSH) on the op with warlocks.

#14

Yea but to be fair i would be surprised if blood letting didn’t see changes.

#15

It’s really just stone skin.

What they should do is in PvP, ignore the SPR modifier for Stoneskin and make it half as effective, so it’d be a +200 block at level 5.

That is fair enough to keep things competitive for all classes.

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#16

Nope it´s not just stone skin…plague doctor AND oracle is bane to most of the ranks in this game. Stone skin is stupid, how can a dev make something like this and think is ok is beyond me.
But to be fair this game main focus isn´t pvp (i think imc doesnt even care that much), pvp without diminishing returns is to laugh at. =D

#17

Plague doctor isn’t as much of an issue, they can’t counter a lot of things, especially psychokino.

Archer doesn’t have any real form of CC to begin with, and swordsmans stuns do get countered but skills like iron hook don’t.

The problem lies in teams that do have a PD against teams that don’t, but it’s still not a nearly complete counter like stoneskin is.

#18

Stoneskin is easy to balance for pvp. Just give it 10 charges at max rank.

Same with Bloodletting. Cap it at 5 negated debuffs.

#19

From 4chan

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#20

nah, this issue about armor.
i think each basic class must only can equip 1 type of armor.
like we know archer, wizard has big damage but low defence which is advantage being warrior have high def, with TOS unique armoring, this advantage can be use by archer and wizard with Plate armor.
Weird