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Inquiry: 2H vs 1H + Shield swordies

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#1

Pardon me if this has been asked before but I couldn’t find a convincing answer anywhere and have no experience with the game myself.

To get straight to the point, my main concern is that the build I’m edging towards is a 2H build but everyone else seems to be building their swordies with a shield.
I understand shield means more gem slots and more survivability, but if speaking in terms of 2 completely decked out 1H + shielder versus a 2-hander;performance wise, are the difference that significant ? Are the extra gem slots to the shield so big that it makes 2-handed weapons extra ATK obsolete ?

Any reply are much appreciated !

Anyone going hardcore 2H Spear Hoplite?
#3

your problem isnt other swordsmen your problem in pvp are the AoE spamming by archers, clerics, and wizards. getting close to them is your biggest problem. having a shield helps a bit.

and you have lvl1 pain barrier :confused: for a ‘pvp’ build

#4

A. Damage 1H + Shield+3xGEMs > 2H
B. Defense 1H + Shield > 2H
C. BLOCK rate of CON STAT work only with shield, at 2H block rate of CON = 0
D. Are only several skills for 2H only and a lot more shield mandatory[Peltasta, Rodelero, Hoplite(1 skill)]

I will test this:

AND THIS is mandatory:

#5

Ah christ, I was hoping that wouldn’t be the case.

The devs really need to give 2H another look then if Highlander’s 2H attribute couldn’t justify not having a sub weapon. :disappointed_relieved:

Many thanks for the insights !

#6

what is the benefit of 2h sword then ?
or did the developers just screw up and not do their math ?

#7

Apparently there are no benefit using a 2H swordie in PVP…
Maybe IMC will make some changes after this beta.
We’ve got to run some tests first, then they’ll deal with our feedbacks.

#8

Makes me kind of worried for the game if they are that lost with stats and skills, i would have assumed this sort of stuff gets resolved in house alpha testing. Maybe they are trying too much with this 80 class skill system might be impossible to balance.

#9

Balance has always been a hard task in MMO. Especially here with 80 classes (and maybe more).
Things have already changed a lot since the first beta, and we’re lucky enough to be able to test everything that has been done since.
Wait, play, feedback & see.

#10

A. 2H introduce some diversity …
B. 2H + GEMS can be better/cheaper that 1H+Gems + Shield+Gems at high level of enchant.
C. 2H can have some unique bonuses…
D. May be some builds are better with 2H
E. Attrib. Weapon swap = instant, no cool down swap 1H+shield to 2H and vice versa.

So overall 2H will be more DPS with lower block(CON). May be in future will be some powerful skills for 2H only…

Example(2H Spear only Cataphract):

  1. Better for mobs on fields:
    http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/254102/

2)Better for bosses:

AAAAAAANNNNNNNDDDDDDD there are also 1H+1H(dager) (Corsair, Fencer)

#11

2-Handed gets an attribute later from the Highlander tree that greatly increases Crit damage…kind of forcing you down the path of DEX/STR for that crit rate to be high enough to take advantage of it.

Aside from that, from all the videos I’ve seen, 1-Handed Sword + Shield is the way to go. IMC should’ve added more gem slots to 2-handed weapons to account for this.

1HS + Shield gives you the advantage of dual defense…(block AND evasion). Taking up Pelt or Rodelero allows you to block on demand with a much more potent block than Cross Guard. You still can use all the skills from the Highlander tree. You can also Weapon Swap between the 2 if you wanted to capitalize on damage for trash mobs.

#12

Actually shields now can only have 1 gem slot. I’m not too sure about other subweapons but I’ll assume their also going to be at 1 slot too, I know dagger is at least.

Heres the link to the patch notes for it:
http://pastebin.com/1rGKm3Zm

#13

sad, but fair. Now DMG 1H + Shield < 2H, but 2H sword are available only for Highlander, Barbarian, Doppelsoeldner(+2H spear).

So 2H is more DPS and no CON Block. Doppelsoeldner can be best 2H, fast, max DPS, have potential in PVP, but can have trouble on HARD bosses, if bad build, gear, her master has no skill :sweat_smile:

#14

So 2H spear is a thing. If im not mistaken you have more range (i know finestra has an attribute for it.)
And we cant forget they will add lancer in game.

#15

May i know where to get this? is it a boss drop?