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IMC why do you hate magic classes?

ET isn’t the absolute endgame though, anymore. Many mobs beyond 280 are far more difficult than ET mobs. That tier list only takes the tower into consideration, whose monsters don’t boast very high magic defense, allowing strong AoE magic to sweep the floors easily.

Post R8 this is certainly not the case, and only people with strong 315 weapons or who play Featherfoot C2 (and in some rare cases, Necromancer C3) deal very high reliable damage in the magic department. Physical classes don’t have to deal with the same defenses, and even in the case of Archer, they have to deal with half the monsters’ physical defense due to the hidden armor shred.

Agni Necklace is a great asset and makes Pyromancer a very strong DPS so long as the magic defense is low. However as I understand it the necklace buff is factored after the defenses are taken into account, and so without a very strong weapon and using potions, even a Pyro with Agni won’t be able to deal much damage to certain high level mobs and bosses (in many cases, 1 damage).

Even if it’s not the absolute endgame anymore, it’s still worth mentioning because it shows that magic still reigns supreme minus the MDEF barrier. (which isn’t really an issue with malleus buff, so just party up)

And players didn’t + there weapons when archers had negative modifiers removed by refine rate. I agree archers being bad was all player fault.

Omg… Rank 7. Physical classes cried… All magicals were like “suck it up and tank” now that their fav wizzie dizzie is not carrying no more, it is a rant because no one want to support. Don’t jump on meta wagons, all I can say…

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Maybe mage is more a CC class now.
Even if your damage is lower you got still many CC skills/Class.
So you´re not useless like swordys before.

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the moment u realise TS ran away from the truth pointed out

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Say what?


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Its a Korean thing, Koreans favor mid to long range classes such as Archers, or those who uses mid range weaponry like TERAs ninjas and Reapers. Though most of the time, Mages come second, then Healer classes, then finally Melee classes which gets the shaft often.

But yea, a lot of Korean mmos I played follows this trend. But Long range classes are the most popular amongst Korean players.

Wow you remind me of biskee.
Oh you are biskee with a new name.
I cannot access Korea anymore. I tried many options such as vpn, their Ktrump firewall is too good or I am too bad. I just had access for a little while after they pulled this.

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Ya I missed CBT, though I remember some fuss on the forums around launch about them during CBT. Well, perhaps Archers should beware? xD

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Seems unlikely there are ALOT of armor reducing skills and attributes. Not really taking a side here just seems like swordsman have the tools to play through that.

Archers might have trouble though, can’t think of any armor shredding skills they have.

All archer [missile] attacks will reduce physical defence -10% per stack (max 5 stacks). Includes their normal arrows.

o i thought that was just on bosses. I haven’t kept up with archers much as i only use them for farming.

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So many things to talk about here but mostly this:

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I hope you’re joking or trolling. Clerics have cute costumes ?
Cleric: pleb dress
Priest: classical priest dress
Krivis: male is kind of cool, female is ugly
Bokor: ugly gipsy
Diev: both are cool
Sadhu: hippy lameness (I like it though)
Paladin: good
Monk: good
Pardoner: "Let’s add flowers and blue to their robes so it looks different from all the other robes"
Chaplain: meh
Oracle: male took all the fabric so female oracle has to be naked (both look good though)
Druid: good
PD: Really cool, well-done, and different
Kabba: male: ew - female: BOOBIES
Taoist: cute
Inquisitor: kind of cool

And don’t get me started on the TP costumes. If you’re a Cleric you literally have the choice between the same robes just with different colours and accessories.
Why can’t they have some skirts, shorts, etc. too ?
Only the NPC-based costumes are different. Clerics costumes are boring as hell and have 0 originality.

My R7 level 10 beg to differ.
Kabbalist isn’t an offensive class anyway. Same for Paladin, Enchanter or Alchemist. Pyromancer is a rank 2 class.
Wanting non-offensive class to deal tons of damages doesn’t really make sense. If you take a support/defensive class, be ready to use it for support and defense.
And for lower rank classes, the problem is scaling. IMC should make it so skills scale more based on stats.
Because the more classes they add, the more useless previous classes will be. Which means that all your previous classes should have been about CC/utility instead of whatever you wanted to be. And that’s stupid.
“Wow, Rank 9 and 10 have amazing DPS. I won’t use 90% of my previous DPS skills, time to reroll”

Maybe they will later, because until now they had to deal with that, and also because they’re melee so they have to deal with death.

Lots of classes have cast time, charging channeling. Most classes burn mana like crazy (I know, I’m a Kabba, I spend my time Ein Sofing people), anybody can get interrupted.
And actually wizards have Surespell so… yeah, no. Argument invalid. They also have Quick Cast.
The only point I agree with is their movement. All of their skills stop them when they’re using them, so they have to constantly jump and move around while spamming their skills.
But since so many of their skills are casted, they can’t dodge manually as well, and they have to put in enough INT to deal damages (so not as much CON + the fact they get less HP from CON).
But I suppose IMC did that to give them weaknesses since MDEF is hard to increase and except with shield/immunity you have no way to dodge/block magic attack.

For gender change, yeah, the items totally need to be easier to get… It’s stupidly annoying and who wants to spend millions for a 24h change ? I wouldn’t mind on my Oracle 3 to receive millions that easily, but it doesn’t change the fact it’s stupid.
The fact so many skills make you spend thousands of silver using them is stupid too. Attributes are super expensive, we need lots of silver to use our skills, we can’t farm some items because of bots and have to pay them millions, cube drop is a total beach… It’s like they’re trying to convince us to RMT.

This make absolutely no sense.

  1. Of course swordsmen have high CON and HP. Because unlike ranged Wizards they stand in the middle of mobs to attack and if they didn’t have high CON/HP they’d die right away.
  2. Only Archers have natural higher dodge. And even Archers need to invest a lot of DEX. Even with a ton of DEX you won’t dodge everything physical hits (can’t dodge magic too). If you want to dodge that badly, make a DEX Wizard or Clerics. DEX Sadhu, best build. Who cares about INT ? Your damages will fall off badly anyway.

For the rest I mostly agree with/don’t care/don’t know the class.

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mostly agreed except the RC girl, whose chesticles looks like a front butt :x

Elem3Warlock2 is still in demand though regardless of some people crying over it.

This crap is why I quit after Ragnarok Renewal. My DPS wizard got nerfed into a CC role i didn’t want in the first place.

You’re just bad and don’t know how to adapt.

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Where did you even hear this?
The Reddit?
Oracle’s sex change is pemanent until you do it again, a guildy changed the sex of their Wizard like six days ago and it’s still a dude.