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IMC: It's okay to BOT as long as you're a Sorcerer. / I think it's time to take my leave

General Discussion
#22

Maybe no one said “the game is fine” here, but in a lot of posts when someone is quiting they say, and a lot of the replies say it’s fine to AFK farm, no it isn’t, you keep 5 min away from the game and get back for 1 sec to just use a potion, it when you’re not using auto pot or something, how is it fine or not considered bot? And I know I’m not the only one who left because of it, and it wasn’t the only thing that made me leave, a lot of things, I was already thinking about quiting weeks ago, when my friends left the game, but I still played for a bit, and it was just the “final blow”.

I really wanted to like the game, I was waiting for it for years.

#23

Lmfao what a salty scrub. Good bye ;^)

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#24

I also think something needs to be done about it,but I’m sure you know that as I responded to your other thread about this subject.

Doesn’t really matter that they advise to occasionally be paying attention to your game screen for bot checks seeing as they almost never do it.To me you should be paying attention all the time because you’re playing a game that you supposedly enjoy,but of course not everyone will agree on the matter.

I hope you find something that you like more,and perhaps check back for improvements [hopefully].

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#25

You seem to be too furious your brain evaporated and turned to salt, heavily affecting your reading comprehension.

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#26

Some sorc bots are actually bots, although most of them set their character to run around and also cast fire balls all over the place rather than just sit there letting temple shooter do all the work. Others just use the auto-potion program, which is basically a bot that chugs an SP pot every once in a while.

Others actually manually drop in to chug an SP pot. That’s legal but those people are VERY VERY VERY rare in my experience, and the vast majority of sorcs there are bots.

Necromancers can legally AFK without having to stop to drink potions. But Shoggoth kills so much slower than temple shooter that it’s almost not worth the computer power. (technically anyone can AFK with a companion, but that’s DEFINATELY not worth the computer power. Might as well save on your electricity bill and use that money to buy a token to sell instead)

The game was closed off to new accounts for months yet all those sorc bots were still there. That was almost enough to make me quit the game because that’s just pathetic that IMC couldn’t noticably reduce bot numbers even when no new accounts were being created, though in the end it was the other myriad of issues that caused me to leave.

#27

or they can just make all spots like dina bee
i never saw a game with dumb spawn rate like tree of savior

#28

People calling OP salty but all I’m seeing are a bunch of salty AFK farmers.

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#29

XD Just delete the whole Sorcerer tree, problem solved.

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#30

I’m not trying to be white knight here, but RO2 even has 5k players after its OBT that reach 60k on Steam back in its glory day… If you think ToS is worse think it again…

ToS also has more wide marketing, I’ve said it in other thread. Players in local servers like Indonesia and Japan are pretty much gone, because IMC IP block them. Sure there is VPN but still it makes not everyone can access the server. I’m pretty sure players like you said it’s illegal back when players are still 50k 2 months ago, but now what are you going to do? Asked IMC to pull 25k players that IP blocked but too late because we are on local server now?

#31

Totally agree with you, when i meet Dina Bee Farm at the first time, dude, immediately I decided to skip this map and try to complete it later (around the dawn), because any mob that was born near me was instantly killed by a sudden Templeshooter

I think EXP penalty system was made to prevent high-level characters disturbing the “newbies”, and leaving they alone to complete quests without 30 guys stacked in a map 1-hitting everything they see at the screen with 5 different parties, one in each spot. So, for me, a map with godly respawn isn’t supposed to have quests

Since you have a EXP penalty already implemented, there is absolutely no point in the Tree of Savior silver farm being unrestricted…

Of course this would also affect players who farm their silver honestly, but face it:
if you want to grind, right now you need find a map that fits your level, and you can’t dodge this.
if you want to farm pure silver, why shouldn’t you do the same thing?

Of course to do this, the silver scalling must be changed (it is completly shit right now)

In this sense, you have now two options:
a) Leave Both EXP and Silver unrestricted
b) Implement hard penalties to EXP and Silver

If you put a simple silver-penalty system, i’m plenty sure that all AFK Farming sorcerers/necromancers will fall into the oblivion abyss in few seconds…

p.s: before someone says I want to completely kill the farm, I want to make clear that farming rare itens and mats MUST be a unrestricted task regardless of AFK sorcerers

#32

It would also force bots to always farm around their level, complicating botting and forcing them to continue leveling up to farm until they are eventually in over their head and end up having to make a new character to continue farming, or bot in parties.

However, I see where you are coming from with your idea but currently Talt is overtaking silver as the game currency due to IMC’s incompetence. I feel like at the current stage of the game, limiting silver in any way is going to be the final nail in the coffin. Eventually you won’t be able to use it for anything anymore.

Talt as the universal currency is going to end badly due to you only being able to get 2-3 per day per character. Although you can buy talt for silver right now, how long will that last if IMC keeps messing with silver?

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#33

Bee farm is one of the more cancerous maps. Afk necro sorcs just make it worse.

#34

When people will realise that they don’t need to make a topic to leave the game? just leave.

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#35

You do know nexon, blizzard and many other companies literally ask you to explain on why you quit for future references, right?

Now take a deep breath and think hard on what your post contributes when it comes to giving IMC information compared to Remhads post.
Because if you put that nogging to use right there, your post makes you look like someone who posts rubbish on the forums and that you want the population to leave without explaining what their issues are.

Imagine whiteknighting a company so hard that you’re actually blackknighting them without knowing it.

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#36

You should send a ticket, this is a player to player forum, not to send IMC errands.

People complain the IMC don’t read the forums, so i will send them a message to them in the forums, in General Discussion.

This topic is obviously made to other players.

#37

Add a max duration on the summons, problem solved.

#38

Yes… i agree with you, this game doesn’t deserve more restrictions and IMC is current at the grey area: any bad step they do with restrictions would be the final nail in the coffin…
But c’mon, this would be a hammer in the head of the cleric bots, maybe when IMc give up some ridiculous and pointless restrictions (trade and market) we can see something like this…

I understand your point about talts, but i don’t think farming afksilver comes down to trading milionary recipes with talts… Market is still hot as ever, many of afk-farmers (at least the sorceres i have met until now) only want to develop their own account, by improving attributes at npc and buying new gear at market, both with the classic silver

#39

I totally agree with you there but it looks like IMC has some kind of hard on to make the players compete at every opportunity including the grinding.

So they see to favor insane solution like the one I put above to maintain this Status quo more than healthy solutions like yours.

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#40

Threads like this always do generate discussion on the issues and cause people who would never speak out about said things before mention their opinions on it, but you would’ve seen this if you actually looked at the thread and a lot of the posts creating a discussion about said issues before smashing your [img] tags with a reaction image and some garbage opinion.

But I’ll make this understandable to you in an ebin meme image:

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#41

It does not matter what YOU consider to be a bot, it only matters what botting actually is, by definition. The difference between AFK farming and botting is that botting requires 3rd party programs/3rd party tools, which is forbidden, and that botting provides far more severe gameplay automation than simply standing around with a summon.

AFK farming by using summons/pets, similar to homunculus in RO or pets/summons in other games, which are able to automatically attack while the player is standing still, is not violating the terms of service and what they can do is extremely limited.

You may be against AFK farming and i’d be perfectly fine with you having objections against it, but you can’t really say it’s botting, since the definition of botting is different than “standing around with game-given pets that are able and intended by the games developer to attack on their own”.

The only huge difference between RO afk-humunculus farming and TOS afk-summon farming is that in TOS you don’t have to manually pick up the money, which can be considered a really cheap and lame way to make money considering other classes can not do that (as effectively), but it’s in no way botting or illegal.

Personally, i think there should be some sort of change. Getting tons of money without effort and while being afk is certainly an aspect that should not be possible (except for vend chars/afk shop chars, of course, because that’s the point of their class).

One change could be to make monsters that only got damaged by summons to stop dropping loot after the player owning the summon didn’t move/didn’t do any input for a certain amount of time, which would stop afk-silverfarming.
The only problem is that it doesn’t stop people from tapping the space bar every 2 minutes to do some input or stop using people from using 3rd party programs in order to move.