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IMC is a BUSINESS. Businesses have to MAKE MONEY

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#1

  1. Businesses need to make money.

  2. People who spend money +++$$$ on the game should have advantages over people who don’t —$$$

  3. You guys might not realize this, but it costs money to keep any sort of data on a server, including your character data.
    If you play ToS just once and quit, you still cost IMC money for keeping your character’s data stored on their server. You’re an expense and a liability to IMC unless you spend money on the game.

  4. EVERY worthwhile form of entertainment costs Money IRL - Video games, movies, carnival rides, amusement parks, aquariums, clubs/bars, theater/Broadway shows, etc. The difference is that ToS lets you try before you buy.

[quote=“FatePGN, post:1, topic:145004”]
But 3 months is much too long.
The founders server will be separated from F2P servers as well,
so our population will naturally be smaller.

(quoting FatePGN from another topic because it’s relevant to this one.)[/quote]

(No, it won’t.)

What evidence do you have that Founder’s Server and F2P Server are going to be separated?

IMC has said nothing about having multiple servers for Founders and F2P. They have, however, said that they may add more servers based on population, which actually works AGAINST the argument that Founder’s and Non-Founders are going to be playing on 2 different servers.

Anyone who claims that Founder’s and non-Founders are going to be playing on 2 different servers is just speculating.

MMORPGs in the last year that have had Founder’s Packs: http://www.tentonhammer.com/feature/current-founder-packs-and-pre-order-programs

MMORPGs that have had Founder’s Packs that had 2 different servers for Founder’s and Non-Founder’s: None. 0

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#2

As quoted on my other post:

There is a founders server, and a f2p server in the future, as mentioned in the post about the announcement. They say new worlds might be added once it’s f2p, but its not even a might. The will definitely need more servers for F2P players, and f2p players won’t play on a founders server where they can’t compete.

They could have easily have sold packs at the same price, but with less access time, and it would have been OK. This is a null argument. Very few people are arguing about the price, its the duration that’s more upsetting.

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#3

“exclusive access is scheduled to be sold”
to me it sounds like them selling early access to a certain server which will be “founders server” because people with founders packs will be playing there during early access.
but it does not state anywhere that people would be restricted from accessing it when the game hits free to play

#4

3months is still too long, there is absolutely nothing wrong with early access but the hype will be gone after that period of time

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#5

That’s not the issue here, who cares if f2p players can jump into a founder server?

That’s great if you want to, but most people would rather play on a fresh server, so more than likely we’d have a lower population in comparison to a fresh server. Even then, even if I’m completely wrong in every possible way, 3 months is still absolutely absurd.

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#6

Flagged because OP is @somethingelse

#7

Founder’s Server just means “Early Access.”

I’ve played many MMORPGs recently where there were founder’s packs and in none of those MMOs did the developers create a separate server for non-Founder’s.

If your hype is gone before the game is officially released, I have to ask…how “Hyped” were you, really?

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#8

Ooooooooooooo good point.

High chance that the founders server will be the least populated due to the hatred that it will receive. I hope there’s like a transfer or something.

#10

IMC marketed this game as F2P, they should have a business plan based on F2P incomes, not B2P. If they had to change their business plan at the last minute, it means they have a problem as a company.

50$ may not be much for you, but what about people in Eastern Europe, Africa, or South America ?

The issue with this exclusive access is we aren’t beta-testers/free-players anymore, we are customers. As customers, we expect some guarantee about the product.
What if my client keep on crashing ?
Why would I pay the same amount (flat conversion to € ?) as a NA player with a less performant service (no server outside NA) ?
What about the issues reported on this forum which still haven’t been adressed ?
How much TP really cost ?
Are the bonus item founder exclusive, account-bounded or not ?

So little information for a game sold at the same price as any AAA.

#11

Oh, is there a F2E (Free to Eat) McDonald’s? Tell me where it is.
Try a better example.

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#12

$50 is A LOT of money to me. And?

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#13

You are delusional if you believe this is the case. Our cbt’s were absolutely horridly laggy even with as many servers as we had, and you think we won’t get more once F2P hits? Actually just delusional.

Also do you understand free to play micro transactions? MOST of the money comes from free to pay players that buy goods off paying players.

Take kTOS’s cash shop, the item from the cash shop most traded is TP tokens, and paid players only need 1 a month. F2P players buy off paying players, and that’s where a MAJORITY of the money comes.

#14

Nitpicky, aren’t ye.

  • The price isn’t the problem. It’s the fact IMC is stabbing ToS in the gut as a F2P mmo to make money. Hell, as an MMO in general.

  • We’re not saying they don’t need money. But rather than throw in sprinkles on easy goodies, they decide to throw a wall down.

  • This. is. a. BAD business practice.

Aha. This is the reason IMC receives hate.
They lack respect for their community.

You deserve some of it, too. Mostly for your forced ignorance, friend.
No one is hating because you’re ‘SUPPORTING THE GAME THEY PLAY’.
They’re hating because you’re supporting a shitty business practice that hurts the game, the community and the dev’s reputation.
There were SO many better alternatives for them to take, this is clearly a bad choice.

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#15

Maybe for u no, but 50$ to start this game is a lot of money :smiley:

#16

The game IS F2P.

(It’s going to be released June 19th in case you missed that part of the update. )

Stop trying to twist the truth, because you don’t agree with it.

Offering a Founder’s Pack for people doesn’t make a game F2P or B2P or P2W or any other 3-letter acronym.

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#18

Hatred from what? It’s not like people were hating the players who paid for Korean SSNs to play kToS OBT while the rest of us have been sitting here waiting for this.

#19

I bet it was a Poneydofile.

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#20

in Brazil the minimum wage is about $220. maybe for 1st world countries $50 is not a lot of money but for latin americans and other 3rd world countries it is, and we are a HUGE part of this community

#21

Personally I play the games I want to play, if I don’t feel like playing, I stop. If I want to play it again, I play it. Majority of the community on the other hand, iunno