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I'm sorry to say.. I do not hate this game

I’ll put a TL;DR at the bottom. Just ctrl+f to find it if you want to skip all of this.

I know. I’m almost ashamed to admit it. I just realized while reading through the myriad of flaming posts and the legitimate ones as well, that I can’t agree with the majority of what I keep seeing in these threads. That the game is totally broken or that the game is dying because a shareholder decided to bail.

I will start with that first one. We don’t know why hanabisoft is selling their shares. No article I have read has stated anything other than they are wanting funds to put into a new development. That doesn’t mean the game is dying. That means they think they can get a nice profit off of this sale to fund something else that they want to take a gamble on.

Populations in MMOS always die off in the first few weeks from the initial launch with only a few rare exceptions. Think of every release you’ve ever played. Ever. There is an influx in the first few days of players who were hyped up and thought the game was the X greatest game of X genre and played for 5 minutes and then decided they hated it.

They then go and cry about how much the game sucks. Flame the devs, the publishers, the lead artist’s cousin’s nephews son and in general act like they don’t have two brain cells to rub together. We are seeing a lot of this mixed in with legitimate complaints and justified anger.

IMC has not made the greatest choices with deciding how to handle all of the vastly differing community complaints. The actual amount of players from the start was higher than expected and they were not prepared–we were the ones who demanded that the game get released in a much different manner than planned. WE were the ones. The players. Not IMC. US.

And we need to acknowledge that some of the current situation is related to rushing and pushing the game out sooner than was planned. The plan had been to do full launch on June 10th if I remember correctly.

All this crap we’re complaining about as a whole might have been addressed before the game was available to everyone. Please think about this for a moment.

Plus, frankly–from reading the forums and reviews it’s a wonder we’re getting any new players because of how much vitriol there is stemming butthurt and not valid complaints. Or from people who seem to have trouble using google.

YES there are a lot of problems. IMC is not a publisher. Nexon is not our publisher (I’ve seen this a lot in threads lately). IMC is the developing company of our game. The recent patch is a great example of how people aren’t taking time to actually read what they are telling us.

The optimization patch–

there are still some problems need to be optimized

This isn’t the end of the optimization. A lot of these thing were done to be a temp fix while they go back and fix the bigger problems.

OR to put it more simply

Rome wasn’t built in a day.

They are not done fixing things, it takes time to find the issues at hand especially considering some of it has to do with individual PC builds. My desktop is able to play the game. Barely. It’s an old gaming pc that’s outdated by my laptop.

My laptop runs this game at a steady 85-90fps. No changing the settings or modding anything(and there are a couple of super easy ways to up your framerate if you modify your settings) and I consider that pretty good for this game with all the issues it has currently. Especially since this is a laptop. My ping is also 22. Sometimes it’s only 12.

Does this mean that the game is perfect and all of those who are complaining about performance issues are just stupid? No. It means I have a better machine than they do for this specific title.

Anyway, onto the fangirling.

This game is beautiful in a classic way. It reminds me of games like Odin Sphere that pay homage to a nostalgic style while reinventing them. This game has so many things that a lot of players are ignoring or simply not finding.

There are random tomes of lore lying around field maps that tell you about the history of the game.

There are minigames in maps like nevellet quarry 2nd floor.

There are so many hidden things. There are quests and items for them that only spawn under certain conditions. The flow of grind vs questing if is nice because every so many levels there are maps/dungeons where you can go to grind to your heart’s content if you don’t feel like questing.

There are enough quests, at least in the earliest stages, to take you up to a point where you character has enough skills to make grinding enjoyable.

There is solo content.

There is group content.

There is PvP that is broken but fun from what my friends keep saying.

There is rankings based on exploring for those of us who like to do more than kill.

There’s crafting for all classes and crafting classes.

You can build an auto attack tank wizard who debuffs/CC/whatever else you want.

And the game isn’t even half finished yet.

So yeah, I’m a fan of ToS. It’s suffering some serious growing pains, I’d be a moron to deny that. But no good game ever came to us perfect. They became great games. Over time. With effort. With feedback and with love. From the community and from the devs.

TL;DR people need to take some time to actually explore more than grinding and questing before they say the game has nothing to offer and learn to thoroughly read the dev posts before bitching that the game is dying and that IMC doesn’t care.

Note: Half-finished in the sense that there are plans for much more content, not that what is here now is half-assed. Nor do I believe the game was really ready for the full release. It’s full of problems. I am in no way blind nor denying that. It doesn’t change the fact that I love this game and am actually quite happy with many of the positive things I have seen from IMC. They aren’t perfect but they are trying and that’s a lot more than many, many companies do.

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I’m gonna keep bumping this thread till you realize that your a fuking blind white Knight.

When are they going to add new contents? When the game is dead? I don’t even think adding contents is their main priority because the game is STILL have full of bugs.

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Take heart, young one. Game developers realize that the forums is nothing more than a Shitpost Central Highland.

Game devs are more likely to pickout retarded posts and have a giggle at them during lunch breaks than actually take them to heart.

The only reason the CEO replied to that big thread is because of the mixed reviews on Steam forcing a reply. Other than that, the game devs are using the shitposts for laughs to help them get through the day and the real feedback that makes sense is the only thing they care about :stuck_out_tongue:

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Remb Flan… we are in barrens chat

A shareholder bailed?

That company hanbo something rather sold all 40% of their shares in IMC.

Hahaha…OK I’ll just let that one sit and fester for someone else.

Honest @OP, one of the biggest issues this game has is that it is “half” done even though they’ve gone fully F2P and have had the benefit of multiple CBT.

An MMO is never truly “done”, but TOS’s release state is just about the worst it could be.

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Be honest, the only thing you care about is a reset potion for classes. If IMC releases that, then anything and everything else wrong with the game doesn’t matter anymore and you’ll jump back on the white knight train.

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The Hanbit thing appears to be old news, unless they re-bought and re-sold 40% of IMC since 2010. http://www.koreagamewatch.com/wp/?p=707

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I actually appreciate you giving me this info. People on Reddit and this forum brought it up like it recently happened. Now I can put this out of my mind and my confidence in this game’s success has grown.

im half, i like the game, i dont really like the devs that much

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A class reset method wouldn’t reinvigorate my desire to play, no. KTOS balance changes might.

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wooo…
some heavy sexual tension going on between u 2 lol

Actually, now that I’ve looked at the article from reddit, and attempted to read google-ese, it would seem that for whatever reason Hanbit didn’t sell off their shares, though the reason why isn’t totally clear to me.

I think they were looking at selling the shares to another company (which sounds odd to me, wouldn’t they sell them back to IMC and then someone else comes along and buys them?), but nobody was willing to give Hanbit what they wanted, which can be read any number of ways.

It would seem they’re trying again since their interests have changed to mobile and VR gaming, but haven’t officially sold their shares yet.

If you know someone who can properly translate the article from reddit, that would be helpful

This sort of thing is exactly what I meant by people not using google or taking time to read things. I actually am at fault too here, because I’ve seen some articles that were old and some that are from this year. Honestly, if they are trying to sell currently it may be a good thing to get shareholders in. Could be a good change. I don’t know.

@jhannxd I’m not a blind white knight. You are certainly free to think so though. I’m not going to argue that point. However, new content? On a game that is less than a month old? What do people really expect?

@Zipzo I agree about the game not being ready to be released, with everything that’s been going on during what had been planned to be exclusive access up through next week…? Like I said, if it had gone as originally planned I think that there would have been less mess with all of the negative publicity and time for some things to be addressed that haven’t been yet.

The 40% sale article is nothing more than conjecture.

But honestly, I’m fully aware of the flaws with the game and with the way that things are being handled by the devs. I really wish they were more active on the forums and communicated more clearly. I do believe the steps lately are progress. Like many other members here, the “Q&A” for this week was kind of lackluster.

But yeah, I love the game even with it’s flaws. I enjoy it. I play hours every day and have in all of the testing as well. IF the game is allowed to properly grow, I think it’s going to become a beloved game for more than just a few niche white knights and I think most of the frustration does stem from people being frustrated with the state of things rather than just disliking the game.

The method that people are taking in many of these threads though is not productive.

As far as the idea that IMC really doesn’t care about us. I don’t know. I’ve not personally spoken with any of the company members. However, from my experiences of living and working in South Korea… most companies care greatly about their consumers and their public image. A lot moreso than my experiences here in the USA. They care about making people happy and wanting to return. I worry that attitude is part of the problem. With so much chaotic feedback, it’s got to be difficult to know what is really the biggest priority.

Personally I feel that the issues with the servers and with the steam sales are the first issues that need to be addressed. Other players, I’m sure, have a vastly different view of how things should be fixed and in what priority that process should be done.

shrug All of you are free to have your opinions, but that doesn’t mean that mine is wrong. Neither is yours. I think good discussion between members of the community in thoughtful ways is productive. For us and for the moderators if they take the time to read such threads.

Anyway, I appreciate what everyone has said but I stand by my original statements.

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It’s not because someone say good thing for once that he is a white knight. Personaly, people have the right to say what they like or dislike but I hate trolls who come back every 3 days to announce the doom of the game like a bot.

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I’ve really enjoyed playing ToS and I don’t understand all the hate people have been aiming at the devs. The entire release schedule along with several game aspects have been changed solely due to player complaints. It’s a Korean developer, most of whom probably don’t speak English, and they’re prioritizing the concerns of western players. This is essentially an indie mmo and people spend more time complaining that they don’t have the same amount of content of AAA titles years after release than they do appreciating the content we already have. Give them some slack. Enjoy the freaking game. If someone walks up to you and says ‘Hey, I baked this cake. Would you like a slice?’ you don’t say ‘No, you didn’t do this right. You left it in the oven too long. This icing is awful.’ you eat your god dang free cake. Constructive criticism is a good thing, but ranting, whining, and troll babies damn well aren’t.

Anywho, yeah the game is fun. I love all the hidden quests and puzzles n stoofs. If people aren’t finding a lot of content, well, talk to the damn npcs bub. This isn’t a game of ‘find the ?’. There are tons of hidden goodies, including bosses. A sense of discovery is essential in video games. I don’t like games that just take me on a linear quest trek. So far ToS has managed to impress with all the hidden content. It reminds me a lot of old school RO, as it should.

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@Deprox
It took me a few seconds but god damn that was awesome. Well done:

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